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Harper wants new hate laws to halt criticism of Israel . . .
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2015-01-09 20:59:49 UTC
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I'ts 'free speech' when it attacks the Islamic people and their religions . . .
but it's 'hate speech' when it attacks the actions of Israel.

Get it, Canadians?
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Published March 19, 2014 - http://thechronicleherald.ca

Hate law bill favours Israel, critics charge


Advocates of free speech and Palestinian rights are preparing to fight a change
to hate speech laws that they say will silence critics of Israel.

The change is buried in Bill C-13, the government’s proposed cyberbullying law.

The bill would expand the definition of groups that can be the subject of hate
propaganda under the Criminal Code. The code now lists people distinguished by
colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

Bill C-13 adds age, sex and mental or physical disability. But, most
contentiously, it also adds national origin.
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Some legal experts say this is likely a mere housecleaning amendment to bring
the Criminal Code in line with the wording of other statutes.

But certain groups see it as a backdoor way to crack down on criticism of
Israel and they plan to be vocal about it.
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“We will be publicly opposing it,” said Brian Campbell of Seriously Free
Speech, a group formed to defend critics of Israel.

“We believe it is more than just housecleaning. We still believe that it is an
attempt to make criticism of Israel hate speech.”

Justice Minister Peter MacKay’s office would not comment on whether the amended
law could apply to protesters of Israel.

“I cannot address speculative scenarios,” said Paloma Aguilar, MacKay’s press
secretary.

The Justice Department denied a request to speak to an expert involved in
drafting the bill.

In a statement, the department said the amendment is designed to match the
wording of a protocol from the Council of Europe, a human rights organization.

The change would have the Criminal Code mirror the council’s definitions in
regard to racist or xenophobic material.

In fact, the code already refers to national origin in a section about
sentencing. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms also mentions national origin.

Richard Marceau of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs argues the
amendment is just a housekeeping matter to make the code wording consistent.

University of Toronto professor Lorraine Weinrib, who specializes in
anti-discrimination law, says the wording is likely designed to give further
protection to immigrants, whose national and ethnic origins don’t always align.

“This doesn’t seem to point to … condemnations of Israel,” said Weinrib.

But some Palestinian groups and the British Columbia Civil Liberties
Association say they are skeptical.

One reason is Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s recent speech to the Knesset, the
Israeli parliament, in which he referred to movements like Israeli Apartheid
Week as “the face of the new anti-Semitism.”

Israeli Apartheid Week calls for boycotts, divestment and sanction of Israel
until it changes its policies toward Palestinians.

“In much of the western world, the old hatred has been translated into more
sophisticated language for use in polite society,” said Harper.

“People who would never say they hate and blame the Jews for their own failings
or the problems of the world instead declare their hatred of Israel and blame
the only Jewish state for the problems of the Middle East.”

Some critics see Harper’s speech, and the hate law change, as part of a trend
to directly equate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.

They point to 2009 when a group of MPs formed the Canadian Parliamentary
Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism. It had a controversial run. The Bloc
Quebecois ultimately backed out and accused the coalition of being biased
against critics of Israel.

Critics also raise concerns that the hate speech amendment is packaged under a
cyberbullying bill rather than being debated on its own merits.
Alan Baker
2015-01-09 21:07:24 UTC
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I'ts 'free speech' when it attacks the Islamic people and their
religions . . . but it's 'hate speech' when it attacks the actions of
Israel.
Get it, Canadians?
No.

Explain how this new law supposedly differentiates between these two groups...
Post by (=_=)
______________________________________________________
Published March 19, 2014 - http://thechronicleherald.ca
Hate law bill favours Israel, critics charge
Advocates of free speech and Palestinian rights are preparing to fight
a change to hate speech laws that they say will silence critics of
Israel.
The change is buried in Bill C-13, the government’s proposed cyberbullying law.
The bill would expand the definition of groups that can be the subject
of hate propaganda under the Criminal Code. The code now lists people
distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual
orientation.
Bill C-13 adds age, sex and mental or physical disability. But, most
contentiously, it also adds national origin.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some legal experts say this is likely a mere housecleaning amendment to
bring the Criminal Code in line with the wording of other statutes.
But certain groups see it as a backdoor way to crack down on criticism
of Israel and they plan to be vocal about it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“We will be publicly opposing it,” said Brian Campbell of Seriously
Free Speech, a group formed to defend critics of Israel.
“We believe it is more than just housecleaning. We still believe that
it is an attempt to make criticism of Israel hate speech.”
Justice Minister Peter MacKay’s office would not comment on whether the
amended law could apply to protesters of Israel.
“I cannot address speculative scenarios,” said Paloma Aguilar, MacKay’s
press secretary.
The Justice Department denied a request to speak to an expert involved
in drafting the bill.
In a statement, the department said the amendment is designed to match
the wording of a protocol from the Council of Europe, a human rights
organization.
The change would have the Criminal Code mirror the council’s
definitions in regard to racist or xenophobic material.
In fact, the code already refers to national origin in a section about
sentencing. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms also mentions national origin.
Richard Marceau of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs argues the
amendment is just a housekeeping matter to make the code wording consistent.
University of Toronto professor Lorraine Weinrib, who specializes in
anti-discrimination law, says the wording is likely designed to give
further protection to immigrants, whose national and ethnic origins
don’t always align.
“This doesn’t seem to point to … condemnations of Israel,” said Weinrib.
But some Palestinian groups and the British Columbia Civil Liberties
Association say they are skeptical.
One reason is Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s recent speech to the
Knesset, the Israeli parliament, in which he referred to movements like
Israeli Apartheid Week as “the face of the new anti-Semitism.”
Israeli Apartheid Week calls for boycotts, divestment and sanction of
Israel until it changes its policies toward Palestinians.
“In much of the western world, the old hatred has been translated into
more sophisticated language for use in polite society,” said Harper.
“People who would never say they hate and blame the Jews for their own
failings or the problems of the world instead declare their hatred of
Israel and blame the only Jewish state for the problems of the Middle
East.”
Some critics see Harper’s speech, and the hate law change, as part of a
trend to directly equate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.
They point to 2009 when a group of MPs formed the Canadian
Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism. It had a controversial
run. The Bloc Quebecois ultimately backed out and accused the coalition
of being biased against critics of Israel.
Critics also raise concerns that the hate speech amendment is packaged
under a cyberbullying bill rather than being debated on its own merits.
M.I.Wakefield
2015-01-09 21:34:21 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by (=_=)
I'ts 'free speech' when it attacks the Islamic people and their
religions . . . but it's 'hate speech' when it attacks the actions of
Israel.
Get it, Canadians?
No.
Explain how this new law supposedly differentiates between these two groups...
Karen regularly expresses hatred towards Asians, immigrants, natives,
homosexuals, men, and Jews ... groups currently covered by the law ... I
don't see why she should be so upset if Israelis (another group she
regularly expresses hatred towards) get added to the list.
(=_=)
2015-01-09 21:45:55 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Karen regularly expresses hatred towards Asians, immigrants, natives,
homosexuals, men, and Jews ... groups currently covered by the law ... I don't
see why she should be so upset if Israelis (another group she regularly
expresses hatred towards) get added to the list.
My hate list extends to homosexuals, islamists, liberals, feminists, non-white immigrants, and males in the media who are more successful than I am.
My hatred is much more accurate, don't you think?
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Alan Baker
2015-01-09 21:55:27 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Karen regularly expresses hatred towards Asians, immigrants, natives,
homosexuals, men, and Jews ... groups currently covered by the law ... I don't
see why she should be so upset if Israelis (another group she regularly
expresses hatred towards) get added to the list.
My hate list extends to homosexuals, islamists, liberals, feminists,
non-white immigrants, and males in the media who are more successful
than I am.
My hatred is much more accurate, don't you think?
http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Unknown-Saw-On-A-Bumper-Sticker-gay-people-Meetville-Quotes-118945.jpg
How sad for you...

...all you have is lies.

:-(
M.I.Wakefield
2015-01-09 23:12:40 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
How sad for you...
...all you have is lies.
Well, the truth has done her no favours.
(=_=)
2015-01-09 23:31:47 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Well, the truth has done her no favours.
Too bad we still have to refer to her as Karen Gordon.
I'd kill to find out her real name.
Alan Baker
2015-01-09 23:33:56 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Well, the truth has done her no favours.
Too bad we still have to refer to her as Karen Gordon.
I'd kill to find out her real name.
And in the face of your own shame...

...you just add to it.
M.I.Wakefield
2015-01-10 00:08:22 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Well, the truth has done her no favours.
Too bad we still have to refer to her as Karen Gordon.
I'd kill to find out her real name.
Gotta call you something ... "the ignorant fucking cuntard" is accurate,
but some might consider it rude ... and you chose "Karen Gordon" back in
your Victoria FreeNet days, so it will serve.
Post by Alan Baker
And in the face of your own shame...
It is shameless.

Barry Bruyea
2015-01-09 22:07:32 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by (=_=)
I'ts 'free speech' when it attacks the Islamic people and their
religions . . . but it's 'hate speech' when it attacks the actions of
Israel.
Get it, Canadians?
No.
Explain how this new law supposedly differentiates between these two groups...
Hate Speech laws are an abomination and in a Country that brags about
"Free Speech" it is about as hypocritical as it gets. It makes me
ashamed of my Country.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by (=_=)
______________________________________________________
Published March 19, 2014 - http://thechronicleherald.ca
Hate law bill favours Israel, critics charge
Advocates of free speech and Palestinian rights are preparing to fight
a change to hate speech laws that they say will silence critics of
Israel.
The change is buried in Bill C-13, the government’s proposed cyberbullying law.
The bill would expand the definition of groups that can be the subject
of hate propaganda under the Criminal Code. The code now lists people
distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual
orientation.
Bill C-13 adds age, sex and mental or physical disability. But, most
contentiously, it also adds national origin.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some legal experts say this is likely a mere housecleaning amendment to
bring the Criminal Code in line with the wording of other statutes.
But certain groups see it as a backdoor way to crack down on criticism
of Israel and they plan to be vocal about it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“We will be publicly opposing it,” said Brian Campbell of Seriously
Free Speech, a group formed to defend critics of Israel.
“We believe it is more than just housecleaning. We still believe that
it is an attempt to make criticism of Israel hate speech.”
Justice Minister Peter MacKay’s office would not comment on whether the
amended law could apply to protesters of Israel.
“I cannot address speculative scenarios,” said Paloma Aguilar, MacKay’s
press secretary.
The Justice Department denied a request to speak to an expert involved
in drafting the bill.
In a statement, the department said the amendment is designed to match
the wording of a protocol from the Council of Europe, a human rights
organization.
The change would have the Criminal Code mirror the council’s
definitions in regard to racist or xenophobic material.
In fact, the code already refers to national origin in a section about
sentencing. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms also mentions national origin.
Richard Marceau of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs argues the
amendment is just a housekeeping matter to make the code wording consistent.
University of Toronto professor Lorraine Weinrib, who specializes in
anti-discrimination law, says the wording is likely designed to give
further protection to immigrants, whose national and ethnic origins
don’t always align.
“This doesn’t seem to point to … condemnations of Israel,” said Weinrib.
But some Palestinian groups and the British Columbia Civil Liberties
Association say they are skeptical.
One reason is Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s recent speech to the
Knesset, the Israeli parliament, in which he referred to movements like
Israeli Apartheid Week as “the face of the new anti-Semitism.”
Israeli Apartheid Week calls for boycotts, divestment and sanction of
Israel until it changes its policies toward Palestinians.
“In much of the western world, the old hatred has been translated into
more sophisticated language for use in polite society,” said Harper.
“People who would never say they hate and blame the Jews for their own
failings or the problems of the world instead declare their hatred of
Israel and blame the only Jewish state for the problems of the Middle
East.”
Some critics see Harper’s speech, and the hate law change, as part of a
trend to directly equate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.
They point to 2009 when a group of MPs formed the Canadian
Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism. It had a controversial
run. The Bloc Quebecois ultimately backed out and accused the coalition
of being biased against critics of Israel.
Critics also raise concerns that the hate speech amendment is packaged
under a cyberbullying bill rather than being debated on its own merits.
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Alan Baker
2015-01-09 22:15:02 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by Alan Baker
Post by (=_=)
I'ts 'free speech' when it attacks the Islamic people and their
religions . . . but it's 'hate speech' when it attacks the actions of
Israel.
Get it, Canadians?
No.
Explain how this new law supposedly differentiates between these two groups...
Hate Speech laws are an abomination and in a Country that brags about
"Free Speech" it is about as hypocritical as it gets. It makes me
ashamed of my Country.
I'm not willing to commit to such a generalization.

But what I'm discussing here is whether or not this law in some way
differentiates between groups as Karen claims.
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by Alan Baker
Post by (=_=)
______________________________________________________
Published March 19, 2014 - http://thechronicleherald.ca
Hate law bill favours Israel, critics charge
Advocates of free speech and Palestinian rights are preparing to fight
a change to hate speech laws that they say will silence critics of
Israel.
The change is buried in Bill C-13, the government’s proposed cyberbullying law.
The bill would expand the definition of groups that can be the subject
of hate propaganda under the Criminal Code. The code now lists people
distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual
orientation.
Bill C-13 adds age, sex and mental or physical disability. But, most
contentiously, it also adds national origin.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some legal experts say this is likely a mere housecleaning amendment to
bring the Criminal Code in line with the wording of other statutes.
But certain groups see it as a backdoor way to crack down on criticism
of Israel and they plan to be vocal about it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“We will be publicly opposing it,” said Brian Campbell of Seriously
Free Speech, a group formed to defend critics of Israel.
“We believe it is more than just housecleaning. We still believe that
it is an attempt to make criticism of Israel hate speech.”
Justice Minister Peter MacKay’s office would not comment on whether the
amended law could apply to protesters of Israel.
“I cannot address speculative scenarios,” said Paloma Aguilar, MacKay’s
press secretary.
The Justice Department denied a request to speak to an expert involved
in drafting the bill.
In a statement, the department said the amendment is designed to match
the wording of a protocol from the Council of Europe, a human rights
organization.
The change would have the Criminal Code mirror the council’s
definitions in regard to racist or xenophobic material.
In fact, the code already refers to national origin in a section about
sentencing. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms also mentions national origin.
Richard Marceau of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs argues the
amendment is just a housekeeping matter to make the code wording consistent.
University of Toronto professor Lorraine Weinrib, who specializes in
anti-discrimination law, says the wording is likely designed to give
further protection to immigrants, whose national and ethnic origins
don’t always align.
“This doesn’t seem to point to
condemnations of Israel,” said Weinrib.
But some Palestinian groups and the British Columbia Civil Liberties
Association say they are skeptical.
One reason is Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s recent speech to the
Knesset, the Israeli parliament, in which he referred to movements like
Israeli Apartheid Week as “the face of the new anti-Semitism.”
Israeli Apartheid Week calls for boycotts, divestment and sanction of
Israel until it changes its policies toward Palestinians.
“In much of the western world, the old hatred has been translated into
more sophisticated language for use in polite society,” said Harper.
“People who would never say they hate and blame the Jews for their own
failings or the problems of the world instead declare their hatred of
Israel and blame the only Jewish state for the problems of the Middle
East.”
Some critics see Harper’s speech, and the hate law change, as part of a
trend to directly equate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.
They point to 2009 when a group of MPs formed the Canadian
Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism. It had a controversial
run. The Bloc Quebecois ultimately backed out and accused the coalition
of being biased against critics of Israel.
Critics also raise concerns that the hate speech amendment is packaged
under a cyberbullying bill rather than being debated on its own merits.
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