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Rogers: Not the public's broadcaster after all
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2014-12-14 21:48:08 UTC
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I watched the Jets and Canucks lose tonite and it cost me 0.
Enjoy that while you can. They're weaning their hockey games from CBC to their
own SUBSCRIPTION-ONLY channels.
They'll keep you hooked on 'free' for awhile longer, then as the games progress
towards playoffs and the Stanley Cup, you're going to find the games on the
subscribed channels only.
Welcome to Rogers ownership of hockey night in Canada . . . .
____________________________
montrealgazette.com December 13, 2014

It's a strange new world, but we keep watching

[- - -]
And, as was so often the case this fall, conversation at some point turns to
the strange new world of hockey on TV that’s recently been imposed on us. This
is the first season under the blockbuster 12-year, $5.2-billion deal between
telecom giant Rogers and the National Hockey League, and it’s a radical change
for hockey fans across Canada.

Until this year, your Saturday nights were pretty simple. If you wanted the
Habs in English, you watched Hockey Night in Canada on CBC and got your blood
boiling during the first intermission as Don Cherry waxed not-so-poetic about
his love for the Leafs, the Bruins and our country’s military men.

Now it’s, not to put too fine a point on it, full-on confusion. The Canadiens
game might be on City — where’s that, you may well ask — or on Sportsnet. Or on
Sportsnet 360, which I’d never heard of before this fall. The one sure thing is
the Montreal game won’t be on CBC on a Saturday night, because that choice spot
on the dial is reserved exclusively for the Maple Leafs because … well, because
we apparently live in the Leafs Nation.

(Funny eh? We thought the coverage couldn’t possibly get more Toronto-centric
than it was under the CBC regime but at least the CBC, under fan pressure, had
added many more Habs games in recent years. But Rogers has made its preference
clear, never ever allowing anyone but T-Dot’s losing hockey club to occupy the
prime position at 7 p.m. Saturdays on CBC.)

On the French side of the dial, you now have to have a subscription to TVA
Sports to get the Habs game in the language of Béliveau on a Saturday night. In
fact, you now need subscriptions to both TVA Sports and RDS if you want to
watch every game in French. If you want all of the NHL games in the language of
Gretzky, then you need subscriptions to all the Sportsnet channels, including
Sportsnet 360 and FX Canada.

So it’s confusing, costs you more money, isn’t nearly as Habs-friendly as
Rogers sports guru Scott Moore promised and hockey fans across the country
still have to deal with the irritating fact that so many games are blacked-out
in different markets. More on that last point later.

New blackouts

The other irritant for hockey fans in general and Habs fans in particular are
the blackouts. Many viewers outside Quebec who want to see Canadiens games are
finding themselves out of luck. The RDS games are only available in the
Canadiens’ “regional” TV market, which has been defined by the NHL as going
from Belleville, Ont., east to St. John’s, NL. Before, the RDS Habs games were
all available right across the country.

“It’s increased the offer but at the same time, it has fragmented the offer,”
said Richelieu. “Not all the consumers have subscriptions to the channels. It’s
more choice and you have to pay for it. We’re hearing some consumers
complaining about that.”

Richelieu says the lack of availability of games nationally is a huge issue.

“In my opinion, this is problematic, especially if you’ve subscribed to a
(cable or satellite) package,” said Richelieu. “I don’t think it’s fair to not
allow consumers access to Winnipeg Jets games because the viewer is in the
Montreal Canadiens or Ottawa Senators region. If you pay for the package, you
should have access to all the games. This issue of regionalizing the games in
order to extract as much revenue as possible from this TV deal is definitely
unfair to consumers.
Alan Baker
2014-12-14 23:24:38 UTC
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I watched the Jets and Canucks lose tonite and it cost me 0.
Enjoy that while you can. They're weaning their hockey games from CBC
to their own SUBSCRIPTION-ONLY channels.
They'll keep you hooked on 'free' for awhile longer, then as the games
progress towards playoffs and the Stanley Cup, you're going to find the
games on the subscribed channels only.
Would you care to place a small wager?

:-)
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)
Welcome to Rogers ownership of hockey night in Canada . . . .
____________________________
montrealgazette.com December 13, 2014
It's a strange new world, but we keep watching
[- - -]
And, as was so often the case this fall, conversation at some point
turns to the strange new world of hockey on TV that’s recently been
imposed on us. This is the first season under the blockbuster 12-year,
$5.2-billion deal between telecom giant Rogers and the National Hockey
League, and it’s a radical change for hockey fans across Canada.
Until this year, your Saturday nights were pretty simple. If you wanted
the Habs in English, you watched Hockey Night in Canada on CBC and got
your blood boiling during the first intermission as Don Cherry waxed
not-so-poetic about his love for the Leafs, the Bruins and our
country’s military men.
Now it’s, not to put too fine a point on it, full-on confusion. The
Canadiens game might be on City — where’s that, you may well ask — or
on Sportsnet. Or on Sportsnet 360, which I’d never heard of before this
fall. The one sure thing is the Montreal game won’t be on CBC on a
Saturday night, because that choice spot on the dial is reserved
exclusively for the Maple Leafs because … well, because we apparently
live in the Leafs Nation.
(Funny eh? We thought the coverage couldn’t possibly get more
Toronto-centric than it was under the CBC regime but at least the CBC,
under fan pressure, had added many more Habs games in recent years. But
Rogers has made its preference clear, never ever allowing anyone but
T-Dot’s losing hockey club to occupy the prime position at 7 p.m.
Saturdays on CBC.)
On the French side of the dial, you now have to have a subscription to
TVA Sports to get the Habs game in the language of Béliveau on a
Saturday night. In fact, you now need subscriptions to both TVA Sports
and RDS if you want to watch every game in French. If you want all of
the NHL games in the language of Gretzky, then you need subscriptions
to all the Sportsnet channels, including Sportsnet 360 and FX Canada.
So it’s confusing, costs you more money, isn’t nearly as Habs-friendly
as Rogers sports guru Scott Moore promised and hockey fans across the
country still have to deal with the irritating fact that so many games
are blacked-out in different markets. More on that last point later.
New blackouts
The other irritant for hockey fans in general and Habs fans in
particular are the blackouts. Many viewers outside Quebec who want to
see Canadiens games are finding themselves out of luck. The RDS games
are only available in the Canadiens’ “regional” TV market, which has
been defined by the NHL as going from Belleville, Ont., east to St.
John’s, NL. Before, the RDS Habs games were all available right across
the country.
“It’s increased the offer but at the same time, it has fragmented the
offer,” said Richelieu. “Not all the consumers have subscriptions to
the channels. It’s more choice and you have to pay for it. We’re
hearing some consumers complaining about that.”
Richelieu says the lack of availability of games nationally is a huge issue.
“In my opinion, this is problematic, especially if you’ve subscribed to
a (cable or satellite) package,” said Richelieu. “I don’t think it’s
fair to not allow consumers access to Winnipeg Jets games because the
viewer is in the Montreal Canadiens or Ottawa Senators region. If you
pay for the package, you should have access to all the games. This
issue of regionalizing the games in order to extract as much revenue as
possible from this TV deal is definitely unfair to consumers.
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2014-12-15 01:12:14 UTC
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I watched the Jets and Canucks lose tonite and it cost me 0.
Enjoy that while you can. They're weaning their hockey games from CBC to
their own SUBSCRIPTION-ONLY channels.
They'll keep you hooked on 'free' for awhile longer, then as the games
progress towards playoffs and the Stanley Cup, you're going to find the games
on the subscribed channels only.
Would you care to place a small wager?
:-)
Uh . . . dim bulb . . . . read this article again . . . . they're already
starting BLACKOUTS to force watchers onto their subscription-paid stations.
What is it, exactly, that you think you're accomplishing by posting such stupid
remarks that most people understand - but you don't?
You don't have to convince ME, you're just a sexist ignoramus. But why display
it for everyone else?

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Post by Alan Baker
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Welcome to Rogers ownership of hockey night in Canada . . . .
____________________________
montrealgazette.com December 13, 2014
It's a strange new world, but we keep watching
[- - -]
And, as was so often the case this fall, conversation at some point turns to
the strange new world of hockey on TV that’s recently been imposed on us.
This is the first season under the blockbuster 12-year, $5.2-billion deal
between telecom giant Rogers and the National Hockey League, and it’s a
radical change for hockey fans across Canada.
Until this year, your Saturday nights were pretty simple. If you wanted the
Habs in English, you watched Hockey Night in Canada on CBC and got your blood
boiling during the first intermission as Don Cherry waxed not-so-poetic about
his love for the Leafs, the Bruins and our country’s military men.
Now it’s, not to put too fine a point on it, full-on confusion. The Canadiens
game might be on City — where’s that, you may well ask — or on Sportsnet. Or
on Sportsnet 360, which I’d never heard of before this fall. The one sure
thing is the Montreal game won’t be on CBC on a Saturday night, because that
choice spot on the dial is reserved exclusively for the Maple Leafs because …
well, because we apparently live in the Leafs Nation.
(Funny eh? We thought the coverage couldn’t possibly get more Toronto-centric
than it was under the CBC regime but at least the CBC, under fan pressure,
had added many more Habs games in recent years. But Rogers has made its
preference clear, never ever allowing anyone but T-Dot’s losing hockey club
to occupy the prime position at 7 p.m. Saturdays on CBC.)
On the French side of the dial, you now have to have a subscription to TVA
Sports to get the Habs game in the language of Béliveau on a Saturday night.
In fact, you now need subscriptions to both TVA Sports and RDS if you want to
watch every game in French. If you want all of the NHL games in the language
of Gretzky, then you need subscriptions to all the Sportsnet channels,
including Sportsnet 360 and FX Canada.
So it’s confusing, costs you more money, isn’t nearly as Habs-friendly as
Rogers sports guru Scott Moore promised and hockey fans across the country
still have to deal with the irritating fact that so many games are
blacked-out in different markets. More on that last point later.
New blackouts
The other irritant for hockey fans in general and Habs fans in particular are
the blackouts. Many viewers outside Quebec who want to see Canadiens games
are finding themselves out of luck. The RDS games are only available in the
Canadiens’ “regional” TV market, which has been defined by the NHL as going
from Belleville, Ont., east to St. John’s, NL. Before, the RDS Habs games
were all available right across the country.
“It’s increased the offer but at the same time, it has fragmented the offer,”
said Richelieu. “Not all the consumers have subscriptions to the channels.
It’s more choice and you have to pay for it. We’re hearing some consumers
complaining about that.”
Richelieu says the lack of availability of games nationally is a huge issue.
“In my opinion, this is problematic, especially if you’ve subscribed to a
(cable or satellite) package,” said Richelieu. “I don’t think it’s fair to
not allow consumers access to Winnipeg Jets games because the viewer is in
the Montreal Canadiens or Ottawa Senators region. If you pay for the package,
you should have access to all the games. This issue of regionalizing the
games in order to extract as much revenue as possible from this TV deal is
definitely unfair to consumers.
Alan Baker
2014-12-15 01:25:19 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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I watched the Jets and Canucks lose tonite and it cost me 0.
Enjoy that while you can. They're weaning their hockey games from CBC to
their own SUBSCRIPTION-ONLY channels.
They'll keep you hooked on 'free' for awhile longer, then as the games
progress towards playoffs and the Stanley Cup, you're going to find the games
on the subscribed channels only.
Would you care to place a small wager?
:-)
Uh . . . dim bulb . . . . read this article again . . . . they're
already starting BLACKOUTS to force watchers onto their
subscription-paid stations.
Is that why they're doing it? Would you care to quote the portion that
says that?

I believe you'll find that they cannot provide certain broadcasts in
certain location because of existing contracts.
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)
What is it, exactly, that you think you're accomplishing by posting
such stupid remarks that most people understand - but you don't?
You don't have to convince ME, you're just a sexist ignoramus. But why
display it for everyone else?
In what manner have I displayed the slightest sexism, Karen?
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Post by Alan Baker
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Welcome to Rogers ownership of hockey night in Canada . . . .
____________________________
montrealgazette.com December 13, 2014
It's a strange new world, but we keep watching
[- - -]
And, as was so often the case this fall, conversation at some point turns to
the strange new world of hockey on TV that’s recently been imposed on us.
This is the first season under the blockbuster 12-year, $5.2-billion deal
between telecom giant Rogers and the National Hockey League, and it’s a
radical change for hockey fans across Canada.
Until this year, your Saturday nights were pretty simple. If you wanted the
Habs in English, you watched Hockey Night in Canada on CBC and got your blood
boiling during the first intermission as Don Cherry waxed not-so-poetic about
his love for the Leafs, the Bruins and our country’s military men.
Now it’s, not to put too fine a point on it, full-on confusion. The Canadiens
game might be on City — where’s that, you may well ask — or on Sportsnet. Or
on Sportsnet 360, which I’d never heard of before this fall. The one sure
thing is the Montreal game won’t be on CBC on a Saturday night, because that
choice spot on the dial is reserved exclusively for the Maple Leafs because …
well, because we apparently live in the Leafs Nation.
(Funny eh? We thought the coverage couldn’t possibly get more Toronto-centric
than it was under the CBC regime but at least the CBC, under fan pressure,
had added many more Habs games in recent years. But Rogers has made its
preference clear, never ever allowing anyone but T-Dot’s losing hockey club
to occupy the prime position at 7 p.m. Saturdays on CBC.)
On the French side of the dial, you now have to have a subscription to TVA
Sports to get the Habs game in the language of Béliveau on a Saturday night.
In fact, you now need subscriptions to both TVA Sports and RDS if you want to
watch every game in French. If you want all of the NHL games in the language
of Gretzky, then you need subscriptions to all the Sportsnet channels,
including Sportsnet 360 and FX Canada.
So it’s confusing, costs you more money, isn’t nearly as Habs-friendly as
Rogers sports guru Scott Moore promised and hockey fans across the country
still have to deal with the irritating fact that so many games are
blacked-out in different markets. More on that last point later.
New blackouts
The other irritant for hockey fans in general and Habs fans in particular are
the blackouts. Many viewers outside Quebec who want to see Canadiens games
are finding themselves out of luck. The RDS games are only available in the
Canadiens’ “regional” TV market, which has been defined by the NHL as going
from Belleville, Ont., east to St. John’s, NL. Before, the RDS Habs games
were all available right across the country.
“It’s increased the offer but at the same time, it has fragmented the offer,”
said Richelieu. “Not all the consumers have subscriptions to the channels.
It’s more choice and you have to pay for it. We’re hearing some consumers
complaining about that.”
Richelieu says the lack of availability of games nationally is a huge issue.
“In my opinion, this is problematic, especially if you’ve subscribed to a
(cable or satellite) package,” said Richelieu. “I don’t think it’s fair to
not allow consumers access to Winnipeg Jets games because the viewer is in
the Montreal Canadiens or Ottawa Senators region. If you pay for the package,
you should have access to all the games. This issue of regionalizing the
games in order to extract as much revenue as possible from this TV deal is
definitely unfair to consumers.
M.I.Wakefield
2014-12-15 02:01:39 UTC
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Uh . . . dim bulb . . . . read this article again . . . . they're
already starting BLACKOUTS to force watchers onto their
subscription-paid stations.
There have always been blackouts. Rogers bought the national broadcast
package, but the teams still get to sell local broadcast rights. TSN has
the local rights for the Jets and Senators, and part of the Leafs package
... Rogers has the local rights to the Habs, Flames, Oilers, Canucks, and
part of the Leafs package ... local games can only be shown in the teams
"local" area ... same as last year ... same as it ever was.

Here are the gory details:

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/08/18/breaking-down-the-nhls-tv-schedule-for-the-leafs-canadiens-canucks-oilers-jets-flames-and-senators/

or http://tinyurl.com/lsnbhdl

So if you're a Leafs fan in Manitoba, and you want to see every Leafs game,
you're going to have to buy NHL Centre Ice, just like you did last year.
(ಠ_ಠ)
2014-12-15 20:12:26 UTC
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Uh . . . dim bulb . . . . read this article again . . . . they're already
starting BLACKOUTS to force watchers onto their subscription-paid stations.
Is that why they're doing it? Would you care to quote the portion that says that?
I believe you'll find that they cannot provide certain broadcasts in certain
location because of existing contracts.
Unlike CBC, eh? (^o^)
Alan Baker
2014-12-15 20:14:07 UTC
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Post by (ಠ_ಠ)
Uh . . . dim bulb . . . . read this article again . . . . they're already
starting BLACKOUTS to force watchers onto their subscription-paid stations.
Is that why they're doing it? Would you care to quote the portion that says that?
I believe you'll find that they cannot provide certain broadcasts in certain
location because of existing contracts.
Unlike CBC, eh? (^o^)
Actually, just like the CBC.

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