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Harper Morally Absent; Obama condemns Israel's actions . . . .
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(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-07-30 23:50:55 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work holding
down the Prime Minister's seat.
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Reuters and Associated Press - Tuesday, Jul. 29 2014

Harper sticks to hard line on Hamas; U.S. condemns Israel's deadly
shelling of UN school


The United States is condemning Israel’s shelling of a U.N. school in
the Gaza Strip that was sheltering displaced Palestinians.

It’s the sharpest criticism the U.S. has levelled at Israel over the
more than three weeks of fighting between Israel and Hamas militants in
Gaza.

White House spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan says the U.S. is also
“extremely concerned” that thousands of Palestinians aren’t safe in
U.N.-designated shelters in Gaza even though Israel’s military has told
them to evacuate their homes.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper reiterated his government’s hard line on
Hamas Wednesday, saying the organization is solely responsible for the
death and destruction in Gaza following almost a month of fighting
between Israel and Hamas militants.

“Obviously no one likes to see the suffering and loss of life that has
occurred,” Harper told reporters in Air Ronge.

“That said, we hold the terrorist organization Hamas responsible for
this. They have initiated and continue this conflict and continue to
seek the destruction of the state of Israel.”

The school shelling killed at least 15 Palestinians. In a separate
incident, Israeli shelling killed at least 17 people and wounded about
160 others near a fruit and vegetable market in Shejaia, a heavily
bombarded neighbourhood on the eastern outskirts of the city of Gaza,
the Health Ministry said.

Israel had earlier announced a “humanitarian window” in certain parts of
the territory. But it said it would not halt fire in other areas,
including in Shijaiyah, where the strike took place. Hamas dismissed the
cease-fire, and Gaza militants fired 27 rockets at Israel after it began.

Gaza's Health Ministry says more than 1,300 Palestinians, mostly
civilians, have been killed since Israel began its offensive on July 8
with the declared aim of halting cross-border rocket fire.

The IDF said three Israeli soldiers were killed on Wednesday when a
booby-trap bomb exploded in a tunnel shaft they had uncovered in a
residence in the southern Gaza Strip. On the Israeli side, 56 soldiers
and three civilians have been killed.


JABALYA: AT LEAST 15 DEAD

Some 3,300 Palestinians, including many women and children, were taking
refuge in the school building in Jabalya refugee camp when it came under
fire around dawn, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency said.

“Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our
school,” Krahenbuhl said in a statement after representatives of the
agency visited the scene and examined fragments, craters and other damage.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said militants had fired mortar bombs
from the vicinity of the school and troops shot back in response. The
incident was still being reviewed.

Abdel-Karim al-Masamha, 27, said he and his family had come to the
school after fleeing fighting near their home in the northern Gaza
Strip. “We did not find safety here,” he said. “People were martyred
before our eyes. They were dismembered.”

REFUGEES: 'THERE IS NO SAFETY AT ALL'

Jebalya, which has been under Israeli fire for the past 24 hours, is the
largest refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. Its population of 120,000 has
been swollen by Palestinians trying to escape fighting between Israel
and militant groups in the 23-day-old conflict.

“There is no safety at all, no place is safe, neither homes nor
schools,” said Haleema Ghabin, holding her infant son at the school.
“What shall I say to the world? Find us a solution, we are defenseless
civilians and children.”

UNRWA, the main UN relief agency in Gaza, said it was at “breaking
point” with more than 200,000 Palestinians sheltering in its buildings
following calls by Israel for civilians to evacuate whole neighborhoods
before military operations.

SCHOOLS: CIVILIANS AT RISK IN CROWDED FACILITIES

Last Thursday, 15 Palestinians were killed and 200 injured in a strike
on a UN school in the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun, crowded with
hundreds of displaced civilians.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned that attack and said he was
appalled by the bombardment of a UN-designated shelter. The Israeli
military said militants had fired from the vicinity of the school in
Beit Hanoun and soldiers shot back.

Last week, Ban also expressed alarm at the discovery of rockets at two
UNRWA schools. On Tuesday, rockets were found at a third, and a
spokesman for the agency condemned “the group or groups who endangered
civilians” by placing munitions there.

PEACE PROCESS: UN, U.S. PRESSING FOR CEASEFIRE

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was due to review progress
with his security cabinet later on Wednesday, and a Palestinian
delegation was expected in Cairo for discussions on an elusive truce.

Both U.S. President Barack Obama and the UN Security Council have called
for an immediate ceasefire to allow relief to reach Gaza’s 1.8 million
Palestinians, followed by negotiations on a more durable end to hostilities.

Efforts led by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry last week failed to
achieve a breakthrough, and the explosion of violence appeared to dash
international hopes of turning a brief lull for the Muslim Eid al-Fitr
festival into a longer-term ceasefire.

In a statement on Wednesday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter
Steinmeier said he was “extremely concerned about the escalating
fighting in and around Gaza” in which civilian infrastructure and UN
facilities have come under fire. “Everything must be done to prevent
civilian victims and to uphold humanitarian law,” he said. “I urge both
sides to agree to an immediate ceasefire and to resume negotiations
about a long-term ceasefire on the basis of the Egyptian suggestions.”
_____________________________________

Aw, shaddup with the 'urging' and the 'planned negotiations' and the
rest of the bullshit rhetoric. Send in UN forces now to physically
stand between Gaza and Israel. And make bloody sure that the Americans
are front and centre.
Alan Baker
2014-07-31 01:09:06 UTC
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Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work holding
down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
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Reuters and Associated Press - Tuesday, Jul. 29 2014
Harper sticks to hard line on Hamas; U.S. condemns Israel's deadly
shelling of UN school
The United States is condemning Israel’s shelling of a U.N. school in
the Gaza Strip that was sheltering displaced Palestinians.
It’s the sharpest criticism the U.S. has levelled at Israel over the
more than three weeks of fighting between Israel and Hamas militants in
Gaza.
White House spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan says the U.S. is also
“extremely concerned” that thousands of Palestinians aren’t safe in
U.N.-designated shelters in Gaza even though Israel’s military has told
them to evacuate their homes.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper reiterated his government’s hard line on
Hamas Wednesday, saying the organization is solely responsible for the
death and destruction in Gaza following almost a month of fighting
between Israel and Hamas militants.
“Obviously no one likes to see the suffering and loss of life that has
occurred,” Harper told reporters in Air Ronge.
“That said, we hold the terrorist organization Hamas responsible for
this. They have initiated and continue this conflict and continue to
seek the destruction of the state of Israel.”
The school shelling killed at least 15 Palestinians. In a separate
incident, Israeli shelling killed at least 17 people and wounded about
160 others near a fruit and vegetable market in Shejaia, a heavily
bombarded neighbourhood on the eastern outskirts of the city of Gaza,
the Health Ministry said.
Israel had earlier announced a “humanitarian window” in certain parts
of the territory. But it said it would not halt fire in other areas,
including in Shijaiyah, where the strike took place. Hamas dismissed
the cease-fire, and Gaza militants fired 27 rockets at Israel after it
began.
Gaza's Health Ministry says more than 1,300 Palestinians, mostly
civilians, have been killed since Israel began its offensive on July 8
with the declared aim of halting cross-border rocket fire.
The IDF said three Israeli soldiers were killed on Wednesday when a
booby-trap bomb exploded in a tunnel shaft they had uncovered in a
residence in the southern Gaza Strip. On the Israeli side, 56 soldiers
and three civilians have been killed.
JABALYA: AT LEAST 15 DEAD
Some 3,300 Palestinians, including many women and children, were taking
refuge in the school building in Jabalya refugee camp when it came
under fire around dawn, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency said.
“Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our
school,” Krahenbuhl said in a statement after representatives of the
agency visited the scene and examined fragments, craters and other damage.
An Israeli military spokeswoman said militants had fired mortar bombs
from the vicinity of the school and troops shot back in response. The
incident was still being reviewed.
Abdel-Karim al-Masamha, 27, said he and his family had come to the
school after fleeing fighting near their home in the northern Gaza
Strip. “We did not find safety here,” he said. “People were martyred
before our eyes. They were dismembered.”
REFUGEES: 'THERE IS NO SAFETY AT ALL'
Jebalya, which has been under Israeli fire for the past 24 hours, is
the largest refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. Its population of 120,000
has been swollen by Palestinians trying to escape fighting between
Israel and militant groups in the 23-day-old conflict.
“There is no safety at all, no place is safe, neither homes nor
schools,” said Haleema Ghabin, holding her infant son at the school.
“What shall I say to the world? Find us a solution, we are defenseless
civilians and children.”
UNRWA, the main UN relief agency in Gaza, said it was at “breaking
point” with more than 200,000 Palestinians sheltering in its buildings
following calls by Israel for civilians to evacuate whole neighborhoods
before military operations.
SCHOOLS: CIVILIANS AT RISK IN CROWDED FACILITIES
Last Thursday, 15 Palestinians were killed and 200 injured in a strike
on a UN school in the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun, crowded with
hundreds of displaced civilians.
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned that attack and said he was
appalled by the bombardment of a UN-designated shelter. The Israeli
military said militants had fired from the vicinity of the school in
Beit Hanoun and soldiers shot back.
Last week, Ban also expressed alarm at the discovery of rockets at two
UNRWA schools. On Tuesday, rockets were found at a third, and a
spokesman for the agency condemned “the group or groups who endangered
civilians” by placing munitions there.
PEACE PROCESS: UN, U.S. PRESSING FOR CEASEFIRE
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was due to review progress
with his security cabinet later on Wednesday, and a Palestinian
delegation was expected in Cairo for discussions on an elusive truce.
Both U.S. President Barack Obama and the UN Security Council have
called for an immediate ceasefire to allow relief to reach Gaza’s 1.8
million Palestinians, followed by negotiations on a more durable end to
hostilities.
Efforts led by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry last week failed to
achieve a breakthrough, and the explosion of violence appeared to dash
international hopes of turning a brief lull for the Muslim Eid al-Fitr
festival into a longer-term ceasefire.
In a statement on Wednesday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter
Steinmeier said he was “extremely concerned about the escalating
fighting in and around Gaza” in which civilian infrastructure and UN
facilities have come under fire. “Everything must be done to prevent
civilian victims and to uphold humanitarian law,” he said. “I urge
both sides to agree to an immediate ceasefire and to resume
negotiations about a long-term ceasefire on the basis of the Egyptian
suggestions.”
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Aw, shaddup with the 'urging' and the 'planned negotiations' and the
rest of the bullshit rhetoric. Send in UN forces now to physically
stand between Gaza and Israel. And make bloody sure that the Americans
are front and centre.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-07-31 01:22:33 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
No one has launched mortar rockets at the Prime Minister yet - as far as
I know.
But it might be wise for prospective candidates for the Conservative
party to know where Harper is at all times.
Alan Baker
2014-07-31 01:46:47 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
No one has launched mortar rockets at the Prime Minister yet - as far
as I know.
But Hamas has launched mortars at Israel.
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
But it might be wise for prospective candidates for the Conservative
party to know where Harper is at all times.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-07-31 22:47:48 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
No one has launched mortar rockets at the Prime Minister yet - as far
as I know.
But Hamas has launched mortars at Israel.
No!! Tell us that's not so . . . ! Homemade rockets that can travel
7 miles distance on average.
It's definitely a deadly assault on the unprotected, unarmed Israelis!
What point were you making, other than the fact that you're a racist,
muslim-hating asshole?
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But it might be wise for prospective candidates for the Conservative
party to know where Harper is at all times.
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 02:20:02 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
No one has launched mortar rockets at the Prime Minister yet - as far
as I know.
But Hamas has launched mortars at Israel.
No!! Tell us that's not so . . . ! Homemade rockets that can travel
7 miles distance on average.
It's definitely a deadly assault on the unprotected, unarmed Israelis!
Yes. It most definitely is that.
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
What point were you making, other than the fact that you're a racist,
muslim-hating asshole?
I don't hate muslims.

I understand that if you lob rockets (I'm not sure where you get the
"homemade" from) at people, they might just lob a few things back.
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But it might be wise for prospective candidates for the Conservative
party to know where Harper is at all times.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-01 02:43:26 UTC
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I understand that if you lob rockets (I'm not sure where you get the
"homemade" from) at people, they might just lob a few things back.
Depends on who started 'lobbing' what. Seems it was the Israelis that
launched the first missiles.
Palestinians have a right to lob a few things back. Right?
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 17:23:10 UTC
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I understand that if you lob rockets (I'm not sure where you get the
"homemade" from) at people, they might just lob a few things back.
Depends on who started 'lobbing' what. Seems it was the Israelis that
launched the first missiles.
Does it seem that way? Can you prove it?
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Palestinians have a right to lob a few things back. Right?
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 19:58:48 UTC
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I understand that if you lob rockets (I'm not sure where you get the
"homemade" from) at people, they might just lob a few things back.
Depends on who started 'lobbing' what. Seems it was the Israelis that
launched the first missiles.
Does it seem that way? Can you prove it?
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Palestinians have a right to lob a few things back. Right?
You posted that it was the Palestinians who lobbed the rockets first and
that the Israelis lobbed a few things back.

Does it seem that way? Can you prove it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Alan Baker
2014-08-02 21:33:23 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
I understand that if you lob rockets (I'm not sure where you get the
"homemade" from) at people, they might just lob a few things back.
Depends on who started 'lobbing' what. Seems it was the Israelis that
launched the first missiles.
Does it seem that way? Can you prove it?
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Palestinians have a right to lob a few things back. Right?
You posted that it was the Palestinians who lobbed the rockets first
and that the Israelis lobbed a few things back.
Is that what I said? Because I don't see that. Would you mind underlining it?
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
Does it seem that way? Can you prove it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're the one who's made a definite statement about who started this,
Karen, not I.
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 20:03:09 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
No one has launched mortar rockets at the Prime Minister yet - as far
as I know.
But Hamas has launched mortars at Israel.
No!! Tell us that's not so . . . ! Homemade rockets that can travel
7 miles distance on average.
It's definitely a deadly assault on the unprotected, unarmed Israelis!
What point were you making, other than the fact that you're a racist,
muslim-hating asshole?
Since the source is your beloved-can-do-no-wrong-public-broadcaster,
you can hardly call them biased, can you?

'He said the Hamas arsenal has now been revealed to include R-160
Iranian missiles with a range of 250 kilometres that were smuggled into
Gaza in pieces and assembled there.

Even after launching by Hamas of more than 2,000 rockets already, the
Israelis estimate that thousands more remain from an original supply of
6,000 in the hands of Hamas itself and another 4,000 in the hands of
the hardline militia, Islamic Jihad.

Those include the heavy M-302 rocket with a range of 160 kilometres,
enough to hit most of Israel, the official said, adding that it had
captured and destroyed many of those before the recent conflict erupted.

Many other rockets, he added, were destroyed by the Israeli Iron Dome
missile defence system. But he said smaller missiles, despite having
smaller payloads, were harder to hit because of their size and limited
time in the air. These include the M-75, with a range of 75 kilometres,
the Grad, which reaches 45 kilometres, and the homemade Qassam rocket,
with a range of just 17 kilometres.'

<http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hamas-arsenal-suggests-apocalyptic-scenario-israeli-official-1.2716251>


Ooops.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 20:01:30 UTC
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Since the source is your beloved-can-do-no-wrong-public-broadcaster, you
can hardly call them biased, can you?
Which broadcaster do you prefer, Baker? Fox, Haaretz, C |NN ?
'He said the Hamas arsenal has now been revealed to include R-160
Iranian missiles with a range of 250 kilometres that were smuggled into
Gaza in pieces and assembled there.
No kidding? Any reports of 'Iranian-made missiles with a range of 250
kms' having been used by Hamas -
or anyone else in Gaza?
Alan Baker
2014-08-02 21:35:45 UTC
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Since the source is your beloved-can-do-no-wrong-public-broadcaster, you
can hardly call them biased, can you?
Which broadcaster do you prefer, Baker? Fox, Haaretz, C |NN ?
Strawman.

Do you obejct to the source I provided, Karen?
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'He said the Hamas arsenal has now been revealed to include R-160
Iranian missiles with a range of 250 kilometres that were smuggled into
Gaza in pieces and assembled there.
No kidding? Any reports of 'Iranian-made missiles with a range of 250
kms' having been used by Hamas -
or anyone else in Gaza?
You mean other than this:

'The rocket alerts sounded Tuesday in Binyamina and Caesarea are
explained by a Hamas spokesman as caused by the launch from Gaza of the
Islamists' own R-160 missile, which they say can reach Haifa further
north.'

<http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8844/>

So they're only claiming about 150km.

Or this:

'Al-Qassam Brigades also claimed responsibility for targeting Haifa
with an R160 missile, Tel Aviv with three missiles, military forces
stationed in eastern-central Gaza with six 107-missiles, and other
forces in eastern Shujaiyya with eight mortar shells.'

<http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717678>

There are more...

...and I note how much of what I wrote you simply snipped out rather
than deal with.

:-)
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 21:47:14 UTC
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Which broadcaster do you prefer, Baker? Fox, Haaretz, C |NN ?
Strawman.
Do you obejct to the source I provided, Karen?
'The rocket alerts sounded Tuesday in Binyamina and Caesarea are
explained by a Hamas spokesman as caused by the launch from Gaza of the
Islamists' own R-160 missile, which they say can reach Haifa further
north.'
<http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8844/>
Uh . . . that's from a blog by Jewish Israeli types. Talk about
'biased sources' and 'strawmen' ! . . . . The Jews never lie, do they?
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Alan Baker
2014-08-02 22:02:16 UTC
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Which broadcaster do you prefer, Baker? Fox, Haaretz, C |NN ?
Strawman.
Do you obejct to the source I provided, Karen?
'The rocket alerts sounded Tuesday in Binyamina and Caesarea are
explained by a Hamas spokesman as caused by the launch from Gaza of the
Islamists' own R-160 missile, which they say can reach Haifa further
north.'
<http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8844/>
Uh . . . that's from a blog by Jewish Israeli types. Talk about
'biased sources' and 'strawmen' ! . . . . The Jews never lie, do they?
And the source you deleted?

Here's another:

' Hamas’ military wing the al-Qassam Brigades said Tuesday evening that
they dedicated the missile attacks on Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to
the Egyptian soldiers who were killed in the October 1973 war.

In a statement, Hamas named the attack “Operation Ramadan the Tenth.”

“Launching an R160 missile at Haifa reflects a qualitative development
to the capacities of resistance, and is a source of pride for our
people,” said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri.'

<http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=711198>



And another:

'Hamas claims responsibility for rockets fired at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa

The armed wing of Hamas claimed that it fired long range rockets at
Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa on Tuesday. 

"For the first time, the (Ezzedine al-) Qassam Brigades strike Haifa
with an R160 rocket, and strike occupied Jerusalem with four M75
rockets and Tel Aviv with four M75 rockets," a statement by the group
said.'

<http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israels-army-prepared-ground-assault-gaza-official-275282816>




And another:

'Smuggled Syrian-made rockets based on a Chinese design have boosted
Hamas' 10,000-strong arsenal which is dominated by crude homemade
devices, officials and experts say.

A surface-to-surface weapon that struck the coastal town Hadera - 30
miles north of Tel Aviv and 70 miles from the Gaza Strip - is an “M-302
type rocket” similar to a shipment of rockets Israel intercepted at sea
in March, the Israeli Defense Forces said Wednesday.'

<http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/hamas-firing-china-designed-syria-made-m-302-rockets-israel-n152461>





And another:

'Militant group Hamas fired rockets at major cities across Israel on
Tuesday night in response to an aerial offensive on Gaza, in the
group’s deepest ever attack on the country.

In what marked the biggest escalation of the conflict between the two
since the 2012 war, the military arm of the group claimed to have fired
over 140 rockets at targets in the capital Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and
Haifa.'

<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10955377/Hamas-fires-rockets-at-Tel-Aviv-and-Jerusalem.html>


All biased, Karen; even the one that bills itself as, "the main source
of independent news from Palestine"?
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 22:56:20 UTC
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Go Palestinians !!
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Which broadcaster do you prefer, Baker? Fox, Haaretz, C |NN ?
Strawman.
Do you obejct to the source I provided, Karen?
'The rocket alerts sounded Tuesday in Binyamina and Caesarea are
explained by a Hamas spokesman as caused by the launch from Gaza of the
Islamists' own R-160 missile, which they say can reach Haifa further
north.'
<http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8844/>
Uh . . . that's from a blog by Jewish Israeli types. Talk about
'biased sources' and 'strawmen' ! . . . . The Jews never lie, do they?
And the source you deleted?
' Hamas’ military wing the al-Qassam Brigades said Tuesday evening that
they dedicated the missile attacks on Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to
the Egyptian soldiers who were killed in the October 1973 war.
In a statement, Hamas named the attack “Operation Ramadan the Tenth.”
“Launching an R160 missile at Haifa reflects a qualitative development
to the capacities of resistance, and is a source of pride for our
people,” said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri.'
<http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=711198>
'Hamas claims responsibility for rockets fired at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa
The armed wing of Hamas claimed that it fired long range rockets at
Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa on Tuesday.
"For the first time, the (Ezzedine al-) Qassam Brigades strike Haifa
with an R160 rocket, and strike occupied Jerusalem with four M75 rockets
and Tel Aviv with four M75 rockets," a statement by the group said.'
<http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israels-army-prepared-ground-assault-gaza-official-275282816>
'Smuggled Syrian-made rockets based on a Chinese design have boosted
Hamas' 10,000-strong arsenal which is dominated by crude homemade
devices, officials and experts say.
A surface-to-surface weapon that struck the coastal town Hadera - 30
miles north of Tel Aviv and 70 miles from the Gaza Strip - is an “M-302
type rocket” similar to a shipment of rockets Israel intercepted at sea
in March, the Israeli Defense Forces said Wednesday.'
<http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/hamas-firing-china-designed-syria-made-m-302-rockets-israel-n152461>
'Militant group Hamas fired rockets at major cities across Israel on
Tuesday night in response to an aerial offensive on Gaza, in the group’s
deepest ever attack on the country.
In what marked the biggest escalation of the conflict between the two
since the 2012 war, the military arm of the group claimed to have fired
over 140 rockets at targets in the capital Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa.'
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10955377/Hamas-fires-rockets-at-Tel-Aviv-and-Jerusalem.html>
All biased, Karen; even the one that bills itself as, "the main source
of independent news from Palestine"?
Alan Baker
2014-08-03 03:33:13 UTC
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Go Palestinians !!
So... ...you're not even going to try and refute any of those?
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Which broadcaster do you prefer, Baker? Fox, Haaretz, C |NN ?
Strawman.
Do you obejct to the source I provided, Karen?
'The rocket alerts sounded Tuesday in Binyamina and Caesarea are
explained by a Hamas spokesman as caused by the launch from Gaza of the
Islamists' own R-160 missile, which they say can reach Haifa further
north.'
<http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8844/>
Uh . . . that's from a blog by Jewish Israeli types. Talk about
'biased sources' and 'strawmen' ! . . . . The Jews never lie, do they?
And the source you deleted?
' Hamas’ military wing the al-Qassam Brigades said Tuesday evening that
they dedicated the missile attacks on Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to
the Egyptian soldiers who were killed in the October 1973 war.
In a statement, Hamas named the attack “Operation Ramadan the Tenth.”
“Launching an R160 missile at Haifa reflects a qualitative development
to the capacities of resistance, and is a source of pride for our
people,” said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri.'
<http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=711198>
'Hamas claims responsibility for rockets fired at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa
The armed wing of Hamas claimed that it fired long range rockets at
Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa on Tuesday.
"For the first time, the (Ezzedine al-) Qassam Brigades strike Haifa
with an R160 rocket, and strike occupied Jerusalem with four M75 rockets
and Tel Aviv with four M75 rockets," a statement by the group said.'
<http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israels-army-prepared-ground-assault-gaza-official-275282816>
'Smuggled Syrian-made rockets based on a Chinese design have boosted
Hamas' 10,000-strong arsenal which is dominated by crude homemade
devices, officials and experts say.
A surface-to-surface weapon that struck the coastal town Hadera - 30
miles north of Tel Aviv and 70 miles from the Gaza Strip - is an “M-302
type rocket” similar to a shipment of rockets Israel intercepted at sea
in March, the Israeli Defense Forces said Wednesday.'
<http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/hamas-firing-china-designed-syria-made-m-302-rockets-israel-n152461>
'Militant group Hamas fired rockets at major cities across Israel on
Tuesday night in response to an aerial offensive on Gaza, in the group’s
deepest ever attack on the country.
In what marked the biggest escalation of the conflict between the two
since the 2012 war, the military arm of the group claimed to have fired
over 140 rockets at targets in the capital Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa.'
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10955377/Hamas-fires-rockets-at-Tel-Aviv-and-Jerusalem.html>
All biased, Karen; even the one that bills itself as, "the main source
of independent news from Palestine"?
M.I.Wakefield
2014-07-31 01:46:33 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work holding
down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are launching
mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel because
they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in responding, because
they're Jews.
Alan Baker
2014-07-31 01:47:33 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work holding
down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel because
they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in responding,
because they're Jews.
Sadly, I think that is absoluteluy accurate.
MattB
2014-07-31 01:53:30 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work holding
down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel because
they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in responding,
because they're Jews.
Sadly, I think that is absoluteluy accurate.
That does seem to be the message she is sending.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-07-31 22:50:33 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel
because they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in
responding, because they're Jews.
Sadly, I think that is absoluteluy accurate.
But then, I'm saying that to cover over my own bigotry. I really don't like muslims.
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 02:21:11 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel
because they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in
responding, because they're Jews.
Sadly, I think that is absoluteluy accurate.
But then, I'm saying that to cover over my own bigotry. I really don't like muslims.
How sad for you that all you have left is forging replies...
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-01 02:43:50 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel
because they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in
responding, because they're Jews.
Sadly, I think that is absoluteluy accurate.
But then, I'm saying that to cover over my own bigotry. I really don't like muslims.
How sad for you that all you have left is forging replies...
What "forging"?
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 17:24:41 UTC
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Let's face it, Canadians . . . we've got a nasty piece of work
holding down the Prime Minister's seat.
Let's face it: if you are in close proximity to where people are
launching mortars, you are in danger of return fire...
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel
because they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in
responding, because they're Jews.
Sadly, I think that is absoluteluy accurate.
But then, I'm saying that to cover over my own bigotry. I really don't like muslims.
How sad for you that all you have left is forging replies...
What "forging"?
Where you changed the words you marked as having been mine by the quote
level you used.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 20:04:01 UTC
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What "forging"?
Where you changed the words you marked as having been mine by the quote
level you used.
Those are called 'addendums' - or truth appendices.

Just use one of your other aliases, Baker to make it look like someone
else is posting your messages.
Alan Baker
2014-08-02 21:33:59 UTC
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What "forging"?
Where you changed the words you marked as having been mine by the quote
level you used.
Those are called 'addendums' - or truth appendices.
The simple word is "lies".
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Just use one of your other aliases, Baker to make it look like someone
else is posting your messages.
I don't use other aliases, Karen. That's another of your lies.

:-)
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 21:52:14 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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What "forging"?
Where you changed the words you marked as having been mine by the quote
level you used.
Those are called 'addendums' - or truth appendices.
The simple word is "lies".
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Just use one of your other aliases, Baker to make it look like someone
else is posting your messages.
I don't use other aliases, Karen. That's another of your lies.
So you say. But I know you to be a liar, Baker.
Alan Baker
2014-08-02 22:05:24 UTC
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What "forging"?
Where you changed the words you marked as having been mine by the quote
level you used.
Those are called 'addendums' - or truth appendices.
The simple word is "lies".
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Just use one of your other aliases, Baker to make it look like someone
else is posting your messages.
I don't use other aliases, Karen. That's another of your lies.
So you say. But I know you to be a liar, Baker.
No.

You have nothing but circular arguments that start from the premise
that I'm lying, Karen.

You have one failed attempt to declare me a liar because two people who
post to this group both use the same very common ISP for their internet
access and the fact that I've kept my Telus email address despite
switching to Shaw for internet access.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 22:58:42 UTC
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No.
You have nothing but circular arguments that start from the premise that
I'm lying, Karen.
No.

I know you to be a genuine, unabashedly proud-of-it, liar.
You have one failed attempt to declare me a liar because two people who
post to this group both use the same very common ISP for their internet
access and the fact that I've kept my Telus email address despite
switching to Shaw for internet access.
No, it's for many, many of your postings and lies, Baker. Now go play
somewhere else with someone else.
This female has no more time for your bullshit and lies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Alan Baker
2014-08-03 03:34:08 UTC
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No.
You have nothing but circular arguments that start from the premise that
I'm lying, Karen.
No.
I know you to be a genuine, unabashedly proud-of-it, liar.
Really? Give an example of HOW you supposedly know this...
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
You have one failed attempt to declare me a liar because two people who
post to this group both use the same very common ISP for their internet
access and the fact that I've kept my Telus email address despite
switching to Shaw for internet access.
No, it's for many, many of your postings and lies, Baker. Now go play
somewhere else with someone else.
This female has no more time for your bullshit and lies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And yet, you'll run away before you actually back up any of that.

:-)

(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-07-31 22:49:44 UTC
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In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel because
they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in responding, because
they're Jews.
Now, THAT'S 'projection'. And stay the hell out of my mind until you
clean up your act, Dobranski.
I don't want interpretations of my thinking by the likes of you.
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 02:20:43 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
In Karen's mind, Hamas is morally justified in firing at Israel because
they're Jews, and Israel is not morally justified in responding, because
they're Jews.
Now, THAT'S 'projection'. And stay the hell out of my mind until you
clean up your act, Dobranski.
I don't want interpretations of my thinking by the likes of you.
So why don't you ever comment on Hamas or any other attacks against
Israel and Israelis?
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-01 02:45:24 UTC
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So why don't you ever comment on Hamas or any other attacks against
Israel and Israelis?
They 'have a right to defend themselves.'
As best they can . . . against an aggressive, war-loving,
land-stealing, muslim-hating state - called 'Israel'.
Alan Baker
2014-08-01 17:24:03 UTC
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So why don't you ever comment on Hamas or any other attacks against
Israel and Israelis?
They 'have a right to defend themselves.'
As best they can . . . against an aggressive, war-loving,
land-stealing, muslim-hating state - called 'Israel'.
The Israelis were put in Palestine and had to make the best of it. They
were attacked by they're new neighbours... ...repeatedly.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 20:08:03 UTC
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The Israelis were put in Palestine and had to make the best of it. They
were attacked by they're new neighbours... ...repeatedly.
Awwww . . . always the victims, never the agitators or aggessors.
Or as one of your posting allies puts it: "professional victims".

This is from Kim Dobranski aka Chom Noamsky:

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From: "Chom Noamsky" <***@t.me>
Newsgroups: can.politics,bc.politics
Subject: Re: Jewish "Holocaust"
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:24:07 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.179.53.99

Israel is good at perpetuating the image it's blameless for everything
it
does. They can get away with practically anything, as long as they always
portray themselves as VICTIMS. They can steal Palestinian land because
WE'RE VICTIMS. They can bomb civilians in Lebanon because WE'RE VICTIMS.
Thats what they are... professional victims.
____________________________________________________
Alan Baker
2014-08-02 21:35:15 UTC
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The Israelis were put in Palestine and had to make the best of it. They
were attacked by they're new neighbours... ...repeatedly.
Awwww . . . always the victims, never the agitators or aggessors.
Or as one of your posting allies puts it: "professional victims".
I didn't say that they're "always" anything, but they did pull all
Israelis out of Gaza in 2005 in hopes of getting peace...

...and what they got was more attacks.

Those are facts.
(ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
2014-08-02 21:51:34 UTC
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I didn't say that they're "always" anything, but they did pull all
Israelis out of Gaza in 2005 in hopes of getting peace...
...and what they got was more attacks.
Those are facts.
Only from biased little minds, are they 'facts'.
The Israelis have increased their embargos and blcckades on Gaza since 2005.
They've stolen hundreds of thousands of hectares of land from the
Palestinians since 2005.
They've 'kidnapped' thousands of Palestinian people and imprisoned them
since 2005.
And they've extended their apartheid wall across Palestinian lands since
2005.

THOSE are facts.
Alan Baker
2014-08-02 22:03:57 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
I didn't say that they're "always" anything, but they did pull all
Israelis out of Gaza in 2005 in hopes of getting peace...
...and what they got was more attacks.
Those are facts.
Only from biased little minds, are they 'facts'.
No. They are simply facts.
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
The Israelis have increased their embargos and blcckades on Gaza since 2005.
Yes. Since they've been regularly attacked from Gaza, what would you expect?
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
They've stolen hundreds of thousands of hectares of land from the
Palestinians since 2005.
Such as...
Post by (ಠ_ಠ)РаОса
They've 'kidnapped' thousands of Palestinian people and imprisoned them
since 2005.
Such as...
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And they've extended their apartheid wall across Palestinian lands since 2005.
Funny that those who actually suffered under apartheid are saying it
isn't "apartheid" then...
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THOSE are facts.
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