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Harper won't be getting votes of our dairy farmers . . . .
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2014-11-22 00:54:26 UTC
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Tories try to force NDP’s hand on CETA

After what appears to have been a Conservative attempt to force the NDP’s hand
on support for the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between
Canada and Europe, a report on the deal is headed back to the House agriculture
committee after a flurry of procedural tricks, hours of late night debate and a
vote Wednesday night on whether the report should be amended to clearly
recommend the trade agreement be “implemented as negotiated.”

Until now, the NDP have refused to take a position on the trade deal, insisting
they want to wait until the full text of the deal is tabled in the House and
implementing legislation has been drafted. The Conservative amendment, though,
forces the party to decide whether they support at least the agriculture part
of the trade deal or not.

The full text of the amendment is as follows:

That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “that” and
substituting the following: “The First Report of the Standing Committee on
Agriculture and Agri-Food, presented to the House on Thursday, March 27, 2014,
be not now concurred in but that, in view of the subsequent conclusion of the
negotiations on the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement and its final
text having been published the Report be referred back to the Standing
Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food with instruction that it amend the same
so as to recommend that the Agreement represents an appropriate balance between
creating opportunities for agricultural and food exporters and maintaining the
system of supply management and, therefore, Canada’s free trade agreement with
the European Union should be implemented as negotiated.

Wednesday night, the NDP voted against the Conservatives’ amendment after the
party’s own sub-amendment, that would have seen a guarantee of financial
support for affected industries, failed by a vote of 143-113.

The NDP then voted against the amended motion, which passed by a vote of 173 to
82. The Liberals and Conservatives both voted for the amendment and the
subsequent motion.

The Conservative amendment came, Tuesday, in the middle of the resumption of a
concurrence debate on the report – a debate that was triggered by the NDP.

NDP Deputy Agriculture Critic Ruth Ellen Brosseau asked for the debate after
the Official Opposition deemed the government’s response to the report’s
recommendations inadequate. The government’s answers, several NDP MPs argued,
were too vague.

In debate, the NDP demanded more information about the yet-to-be-outlined
promise to provide compensation to dairy farmers who might be hurt by the deal.
The party also wants stronger assurances CETA will not set a precedent for
other compromises to supply management in future trade deals.

Under CETA, the federal government would allow 16,000 tonnes of additional
European fine cheese and 1,700 tonnes of industrial cheese into Canada. While
the federal government has repeatedly insisted the change should be absorbed by
the markets, Canadian dairy farmers disagree.

Dairy Farmers of Canada, who represent the country’s 12,500 dairy farms, has
repeatedly insisted the Europeans will hold 32 per cent of the country’s fine
cheese market.
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“I am not sure what I can vote for and what I am supporting if I have never
seen the bill. The Conservatives do not have one,” Agriculture Critic Malcolm
Allen said. “…The bottom line is they do not have a bill. They have an
agreement in principle and they have some additional new text that explains it,
but they do not have a bill.”

While Allen said he’d like to see an implementing bill before Christmas,
Conservative MPs gave no indication a bill would be tabled in the House anytime
soon.

The latest parliamentary skirmish over CETA began on Nov. 7, the Friday before
the House rose for its break week and continued late Tuesday night until its
conclusion around 10:30 p.m.

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Alan Baker
2014-11-22 00:59:18 UTC
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http://www.ipolitics.ca/| Nov 20, 2014
Tories try to force NDP’s hand on CETA
After what appears to have been a Conservative attempt to force the
NDP’s hand on support for the Comprehensive Economic and Trade
Agreement (CETA) between Canada and Europe, a report on the deal is
headed back to the House agriculture committee after a flurry of
procedural tricks, hours of late night debate and a vote Wednesday
night on whether the report should be amended to clearly recommend the
trade agreement be “implemented as negotiated.”
Until now, the NDP have refused to take a position on the trade deal,
insisting they want to wait until the full text of the deal is tabled
in the House and implementing legislation has been drafted. The
Conservative amendment, though, forces the party to decide whether they
support at least the agriculture part of the trade deal or not.
That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word
“that” and substituting the following: “The First Report of the
Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, presented to the House
on Thursday, March 27, 2014, be not now concurred in but that, in view
of the subsequent conclusion of the negotiations on the Comprehensive
Economic and Trade Agreement and its final text having been published
the Report be referred back to the Standing Committee on Agriculture
and Agri-Food with instruction that it amend the same so as to
recommend that the Agreement represents an appropriate balance between
creating opportunities for agricultural and food exporters and
maintaining the system of supply management and, therefore, Canada’s
free trade agreement with the European Union should be implemented as
negotiated.
Wednesday night, the NDP voted against the Conservatives’ amendment
after the party’s own sub-amendment, that would have seen a guarantee
of financial support for affected industries, failed by a vote of
143-113.
The NDP then voted against the amended motion, which passed by a vote
of 173 to 82. The Liberals and Conservatives both voted for the
amendment and the subsequent motion.
The Conservative amendment came, Tuesday, in the middle of the
resumption of a concurrence debate on the report – a debate that was
triggered by the NDP.
NDP Deputy Agriculture Critic Ruth Ellen Brosseau asked for the debate
after the Official Opposition deemed the government’s response to the
report’s recommendations inadequate. The government’s answers,
several NDP MPs argued, were too vague.
In debate, the NDP demanded more information about the
yet-to-be-outlined promise to provide compensation to dairy farmers who
might be hurt by the deal. The party also wants stronger assurances
CETA will not set a precedent for other compromises to supply
management in future trade deals.
Under CETA, the federal government would allow 16,000 tonnes of
additional European fine cheese and 1,700 tonnes of industrial cheese
into Canada. While the federal government has repeatedly insisted the
change should be absorbed by the markets, Canadian dairy farmers
disagree.
Dairy Farmers of Canada, who represent the country’s 12,500 dairy
farms, has repeatedly insisted the Europeans will hold 32 per cent of
the country’s fine cheese market.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“I am not sure what I can vote for and what I am supporting if I have
never seen the bill. The Conservatives do not have one,” Agriculture
Critic Malcolm Allen said. “…The bottom line is they do not have a
bill. They have an agreement in principle and they have some
additional new text that explains it, but they do not have a bill.”
While Allen said he’d like to see an implementing bill before
Christmas, Conservative MPs gave no indication a bill would be tabled
in the House anytime soon.
The latest parliamentary skirmish over CETA began on Nov. 7, the Friday
before the House rose for its break week and continued late Tuesday
night until its conclusion around 10:30 p.m.
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Hey, here's a crazy idea for Canadian dairy farmers:

If Europeans can come in and take 32% of your market for fine cheeses...

...even after the higher costs of getting their products to Canada...

...maybe you should be making better cheese.
M.I.Wakefield
2014-11-22 01:25:23 UTC
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If Europeans can come in and take 32% of your market for fine cheeses...
...even after the higher costs of getting their products to Canada...
...maybe you should be making better cheese.
Canadians make very good cheese ... cheesemakers have to overpay for milk
(like every other consumer) because of the quota system.
Alan Baker
2014-11-22 01:28:33 UTC
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If Europeans can come in and take 32% of your market for fine cheeses...
...even after the higher costs of getting their products to Canada...
...maybe you should be making better cheese.
Canadians make very good cheese ... cheesemakers have to overpay for
milk (like every other consumer) because of the quota system.
I knew that actually.

:-)
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2014-11-22 01:32:46 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Canadians make very good cheese ... cheesemakers have to overpay for milk
(like every other consumer) because of the quota system.
I knew that actually.
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Alan Baker
2014-11-22 01:34:15 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Canadians make very good cheese ... cheesemakers have to overpay for milk
(like every other consumer) because of the quota system.
I knew that actually.
:-)
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What is misognyistic about pointing out when people speak nonsense, Karen?

Does it salve you to imagine that people are only pointing out your
bullshit because of your sex?
M.I.Wakefield
2014-11-22 01:53:04 UTC
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What is misognyistic about pointing out when people speak nonsense, Karen?
It's easier to pretend that everyone else is a misogynist than to admit to
herself that she's an idiot.
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2014-11-23 00:26:34 UTC
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It's easier to pretend that everyone else is a misogynist than to admit to
herself that she's an idiot.
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Alan Baker
2014-11-23 00:35:02 UTC
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It's easier to pretend that everyone else is a misogynist than to admit to
herself that she's an idiot.
http://benevolentheathen.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dumb-people.jpg
No one implied you are crazy, Karen...

...just not very bright.

Which you've just nicely demonstrated.

:-)
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2014-11-23 21:21:07 UTC
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It's easier to pretend that everyone else is a misogynist than to admit to
herself that she's an idiot.
http://benevolentheathen.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dumb-people.jpg
No one implied you are crazy, Karen...
...just not very bright.
Which you've just nicely demonstrated.
:-)
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Alan Baker
2014-11-23 21:34:19 UTC
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It's easier to pretend that everyone else is a misogynist than to admit to
herself that she's an idiot.
http://benevolentheathen.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dumb-people.jpg
No one implied you are crazy, Karen...
...just not very bright.
Which you've just nicely demonstrated.
:-)
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Yes, yes, Karen... ...lying doesn't make you look any brighter.

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