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Harper's 'tough on crime' laws = more guns in Canada
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2014-12-30 20:47:20 UTC
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And it's worth noting where 'about half' of them are coming from.

Time for some enhanced gun ownership legislation, Harper?
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Jordan Press, Postmedia News | December 30, 2014


Increasing number of firearms on Ottawa streets due to influx of illegal guns
from the U.S., police say

Handguns smuggled from the eastern seaboard of the United States, funnelled
through border crossings in eastern Ontario, have contributed to an increasing
number of firearms on Ottawa’s streets, police say.

Those firearms, some of which come from states such as Virginia and Florida,
have wound up more often in the hands of Ottawa gang members who have been
involved in shootings twice in the last three days. Those incidents — one on
Boxing Day at Tanger Outlets mall in Kanata, another downtown at Bank and
Slater streets early Monday morning — helped the capital set a record for
annual shootings, 48 in 2014.

Tackling that growing problem has shown up in arrests, raids and seizures in
the past few months.

For instance, in mid-December Ottawa police laid 254 charges against 27 people,
seized seven firearms and more than 400 rounds of ammunition as part of a
six-month investigation into brazen gun violence in the capital.

For criminals, if they want to find a gun, they are more than available on the
street for the right price.

“There are more guns out there,” said Ottawa police Det. Chris O’Brien, who
works on the force’s guns and gangs unit.
“The trend in the last 10 years is there has been an increase in the number of
guns on the street.”
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About half of all guns seized by Ottawa police are locally sourced, meaning
they have likely been stolen during robberies from local gun owners or dealers.
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In the past, weapons moved between Montreal and Ottawa, with some Montrealers
renting out guns to gang members in Ottawa.

The other half of seized weapons are “foreign-sourced,” meaning they are
smuggled across the border.

According to the most recent data from the Ontario Provincial Police,
foreign-sourced guns made up the majority of “crime guns” seized by officers.
The 2011 numbers showed that 60 per cent of guns used in crimes were smuggled
across the U.S. border, 20 per cent were locally sourced, while the remaining
20 per cent couldn’t be traced.

Ottawa’s foreign-sourced guns usually arrive from American states such as
Florida, Virginia or Georgia, said O’Brien. They don’t usually come from New
York State given that state’s stricter gun laws, he said.

Often, their point of entry is around Cornwall, including the Akwesasne Mohawk
Territory, O’Brien said.

The Canada Border Services Agency in the past year has increased its focus on
stopping firearms from illegally entering the country: The agency’s most recent
annual performance report noted that the number of CBSA-led firearm
prosecutions more than doubled in the past fiscal year from the average of the
preceding three years.

It is often handguns that gang members use when they open fire, but they are
not cheap. A handgun that sells in the U.S. for about $75 can sell on the
black market in Canada for $1,500 to $3,000 for a more expensive handgun such
as a nine millimetre, but the price also based on who is buying and who is selling.

Handguns, however, have become required equipment for gang members to protect
their turf or expand their holdings. Once one drug dealer or gang members
starts carrying a weapon, others do the same so they don’t cede power to
others, O’Brien said.

The weapons of choice in Ottawa are nine-millimetre and .40-calibre handguns,
the latter of which was used in the Boxing Day shooting at Tangers Outlets
between rival members of the Crips gang.
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Remembering that the 'Parliament Hill shooter' used a long gun - a Winchester
.30-30 calibre rifle - which hunters use in Canada. . . .
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Friedman adds that the fact Zehaf-Bibeau had no fixed address was in itself
enough to bar him from a firearms licence.

It all means that Zehaf-Bibeau must have obtained his rifle either by stealing
it, buying it on the black market, or been given the rifle, either by someone
unaware of his motives or an accomplice.

It may be that last possibility that explains why police are so focused on
tracking the weapon's history.
Alan Baker
2014-12-30 21:20:50 UTC
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And it's worth noting where 'about half' of them are coming from.
Time for some enhanced gun ownership legislation, Harper?
Can you show it was any different before Harper?
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Jordan Press, Postmedia News | December 30, 2014
Increasing number of firearms on Ottawa streets due to influx of
illegal guns from the U.S., police say
Handguns smuggled from the eastern seaboard of the United States,
funnelled through border crossings in eastern Ontario, have contributed
to an increasing number of firearms on Ottawa’s streets, police say.
Those firearms, some of which come from states such as Virginia and
Florida, have wound up more often in the hands of Ottawa gang members
who have been involved in shootings twice in the last three days.
Those incidents — one on Boxing Day at Tanger Outlets mall in Kanata,
another downtown at Bank and Slater streets early Monday morning —
helped the capital set a record for annual shootings, 48 in 2014.
Tackling that growing problem has shown up in arrests, raids and
seizures in the past few months.
For instance, in mid-December Ottawa police laid 254 charges against 27
people, seized seven firearms and more than 400 rounds of ammunition as
part of a six-month investigation into brazen gun violence in the
capital.
For criminals, if they want to find a gun, they are more than available
on the street for the right price.
“There are more guns out there,” said Ottawa police Det. Chris
O’Brien, who works on the force’s guns and gangs unit.
“The trend in the last 10 years is there has been an increase in the
number of guns on the street.”
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About half of all guns seized by Ottawa police are locally sourced,
meaning they have likely been stolen during robberies from local gun
owners or dealers.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the past, weapons moved between Montreal and Ottawa, with some
Montrealers renting out guns to gang members in Ottawa.
The other half of seized weapons are “foreign-sourced,” meaning
they are smuggled across the border.
According to the most recent data from the Ontario Provincial Police,
foreign-sourced guns made up the majority of “crime guns” seized by
officers. The 2011 numbers showed that 60 per cent of guns used in
crimes were smuggled across the U.S. border, 20 per cent were locally
sourced, while the remaining 20 per cent couldn’t be traced.
Ottawa’s foreign-sourced guns usually arrive from American states
such as Florida, Virginia or Georgia, said O’Brien. They don’t
usually come from New York State given that state’s stricter gun
laws, he said.
Often, their point of entry is around Cornwall, including the Akwesasne
Mohawk Territory, O’Brien said.
The Canada Border Services Agency in the past year has increased its
focus on stopping firearms from illegally entering the country: The
agency’s most recent annual performance report noted that the number
of CBSA-led firearm prosecutions more than doubled in the past fiscal
year from the average of the preceding three years.
It is often handguns that gang members use when they open fire, but
they are not cheap. A handgun that sells in the U.S. for about $75 can
sell on the black market in Canada for $1,500 to $3,000 for a more
expensive handgun such as a nine millimetre, but the price also based
on who is buying and who is selling.
Handguns, however, have become required equipment for gang members to
protect their turf or expand their holdings. Once one drug dealer or
gang members starts carrying a weapon, others do the same so they
don’t cede power to others, O’Brien said.
The weapons of choice in Ottawa are nine-millimetre and .40-calibre
handguns, the latter of which was used in the Boxing Day shooting at
Tangers Outlets between rival members of the Crips gang.
_____________________________________
Remembering that the 'Parliament Hill shooter' used a long gun - a
Winchester .30-30 calibre rifle - which hunters use in Canada. . . .
_____________
Friedman adds that the fact Zehaf-Bibeau had no fixed address was in
itself enough to bar him from a firearms licence.
It all means that Zehaf-Bibeau must have obtained his rifle either by
stealing it, buying it on the black market, or been given the rifle,
either by someone unaware of his motives or an accomplice.
It may be that last possibility that explains why police are so focused
on tracking the weapon's history.
M.I.Wakefield
2014-12-30 22:28:43 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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And it's worth noting where 'about half' of them are coming from.
Time for some enhanced gun ownership legislation, Harper?
Can you show it was any different before Harper?
Don't you remember when Harper changed the law so that criminals don't have
to register their illegally smuggled handguns? Karen does.
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2014-12-31 20:11:42 UTC
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Don't you remember when Harper changed the law so that criminals don't have to
register their illegally smuggled handguns? Karen does.
Half of them are coming from 'law-abiding owners of registered firearms'.
I'd say that Harper's laws are allowing guns into the hands of
not-so-law-abiding gun owners. Certainly they are either not storing them
safely or are selling them for a profit.
Alan Baker
2015-01-01 18:22:42 UTC
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Don't you remember when Harper changed the law so that criminals don't have to
register their illegally smuggled handguns? Karen does.
Half of them are coming from 'law-abiding owners of registered firearms'.
OK.
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I'd say that Harper's laws are allowing guns into the hands of
not-so-law-abiding gun owners. Certainly they are either not storing
them safely or are selling them for a profit.
How so?

The laws about how you must store your firearms haven't changed, Karen.
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2014-12-31 20:15:17 UTC
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I CHALLENGE any evidence to support that 50% claim.
They have already conceded that was not true.
Now you're saying the cops are liars, 'Smith'? You really do swing like a
pendulum, don't you?

Repeat from the article:

“There are more guns out there,” said Ottawa police Det. Chris O’Brien, who
works on the force’s guns and gangs unit.
“The trend in the last 10 years is there has been an increase in the number of
guns on the street.”

About half of all guns seized by Ottawa police are locally sourced, meaning
they have likely been stolen during robberies from local gun owners or dealers.
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Alan Baker
2015-01-01 18:23:11 UTC
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I CHALLENGE any evidence to support that 50% claim.
They have already conceded that was not true.
Now you're saying the cops are liars, 'Smith'? You really do swing
like a pendulum, don't you?
“There are more guns out there,” said Ottawa police Det. Chris O’Brien,
who works on the force’s guns and gangs unit.
“The trend in the last 10 years is there has been an increase in the
number of guns on the street.”
About half of all guns seized by Ottawa police are locally sourced,
meaning they have likely been stolen during robberies from local gun
owners or dealers.
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OK.

Now show that it has ever been any different.

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