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But what are Canadian forces doing at the front lines, Mr Minister?
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2015-01-20 20:58:47 UTC
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January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/


‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’ Defence Minister says


Defence Minister Rob Nicholson says Canada’s special forces soldiers will
continue to direct air strikes from the ground in Iraq and train Kurdish
fighters near the front lines of the battle with Islamic State militants –
where the chances of a firefight are high.

The Harper government, which is being accused by opposition parties of
misleading Canadians on the job military advisers are doing in Iraq, insists
this is by no means an escalation into a ground war role.

“We’ve been very clear from the start that we were there to advise and assist
the Iraqis and we’ve been very clear we’d be participating in air strikes,” Mr.
Nicholson told The Globe and Mail in an interview.

The government says Kurdish forces don’t have the technical know-how and skill
to call down airstrikes and so Canadian troops have ended up doing that.
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“They currently don’t have the means nor the capacity, quite frankly, to
conduct target designation.”

He said Canada will continue to train peshmerga near the front lines “where
necessary” and if that draws fire Canadians will respond in kind. The military
says about 20 per cent of training is conducted near front lines.

“If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back. It’s an act of self
defence and I think Canadians expect that of our armed forces,” Mr. Nicholson said.

The Canadian Forces said on Monday that troops on the ground were guiding air
strikes against targets and using sniper fire to fend off enemy attacks at the
front lines. At a news conference at a daycare centre in Toronto on Tuesday,
NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair said the revelation did not square with Prime
Minister Stephen Harper’s comments in the House when the mission was up for
debate and a vote last fall.

“Mr. Harper cannot get away with telling Canadians ‘There will be no combat by
our troops,’ and then try to explain away the fact they are of course involved
in combat,” Mr. Mulcair told reporters. “He was asked those specific questions
by me, in September, and he told Canadians they would not be involved in
combat. He did not tell the truth.”

There are nearly 70 Canadian special forces soldiers in northern Iraq who are
supposed to be serving as military advisers to Kurdish peshmerga. It is not a
combat mission.

Separately, six Canadian CF-18 jets are part of a combat mission in Iraq –
participating in U.S.-led coalition air strikes against Islamic State militants.

Brigadier-General Mike Rouleau, commander of Canadian Special Operations Forces
Command, revealed in a media briefing Monday that soldiers have directed air
strikes against ground targets 13 times in the past seven or eight weeks, which
means guiding attacks by methods such as “marking the target with a laser so
the bomb hits precisely where you want it to hit.”

The senior officer defended this apparent expansion of the Canadian role in
Iraq by saying allied local fighters “have neither the tools nor the training
whatsoever to be able to do this.”

Brig.-Gen. Rouleau also announced that, for the first time, Canadian military
advisers have engaged in a firefight after coming under attack when they were
at the front lines conducting training.

This is not considered a combat operation because the advisers had not gone
there to engage with Islamic State soldiers. ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He said Canadian troops are spending 20 per cent of their time near the front
lines and the exchange of fire happened within “the last seven days.”

The Harper government, which sent the soldiers to Iraq early last fall, said in
a parliamentary motion that Canada would not “deploy troops in ground combat
operations.”

Philippe Lagassé, a military expert at the University of Ottawa, said he
considers the actions to be within the parameters of the original mission.

“It ultimately comes down to impressions. I think it’s fair to say this is not
the impression that was being given about what they were doing. That said, if
you are going to get into the technicalities, they never said they weren’t
going to do this,” Mr. Lagassé said.

Speaking at a caucus meeting in London, Ont., Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau
said the troops have the right to defend themselves. However, he added that
Mr. Harper will have to explain why the mission has changed in recent months.

“The Prime Minister established parameters for the mission that he laid out
with great assurance before the House of Commons, and as we found out
yesterday, have not been respected,” Mr. Trudeau said. “The Prime Minister
made statements in the fall around this mission that turn out, today, to not
have been entirely truthful and therefore, the Prime Minister has very serious
questions to answer.”

He said the latest development show that in his view, “troops have participated
in ground combat.”

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Alan Baker
2015-01-20 21:08:09 UTC
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Post by (^_^)
January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’ Defence Minister says
Do you even bother reading what you post?

"Near the front lines" is not "AT the front lines".
Post by (^_^)
Defence Minister Rob Nicholson says Canada’s special forces soldiers
will continue to direct air strikes from the ground in Iraq and train
Kurdish fighters near the front lines of the battle with Islamic State
militants – where the chances of a firefight are high.
The Harper government, which is being accused by opposition parties of
misleading Canadians on the job military advisers are doing in Iraq,
insists this is by no means an escalation into a ground war role.
“We’ve been very clear from the start that we were there to advise
and assist the Iraqis and we’ve been very clear we’d be
participating in air strikes,” Mr. Nicholson told The Globe and Mail
in an interview.
The government says Kurdish forces don’t have the technical know-how
and skill to call down airstrikes and so Canadian troops have ended up
doing that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“They currently don’t have the means nor the capacity, quite
frankly, to conduct target designation.”
He said Canada will continue to train peshmerga near the front lines
“where necessary” and if that draws fire Canadians will respond in
kind. The military says about 20 per cent of training is conducted
near front lines.
“If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back. It’s an act
of self defence and I think Canadians expect that of our armed
forces,” Mr. Nicholson said.
The Canadian Forces said on Monday that troops on the ground were
guiding air strikes against targets and using sniper fire to fend off
enemy attacks at the front lines. At a news conference at a daycare
centre in Toronto on Tuesday, NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair said the
revelation did not square with Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s
comments in the House when the mission was up for debate and a vote
last fall.
“Mr. Harper cannot get away with telling Canadians ‘There will be
no combat by our troops,’ and then try to explain away the fact they
are of course involved in combat,” Mr. Mulcair told reporters. “He
was asked those specific questions by me, in September, and he told
Canadians they would not be involved in combat. He did not tell the
truth.”
There are nearly 70 Canadian special forces soldiers in northern Iraq
who are supposed to be serving as military advisers to Kurdish
peshmerga. It is not a combat mission.
Separately, six Canadian CF-18 jets are part of a combat mission in
Iraq – participating in U.S.-led coalition air strikes against
Islamic State militants.
Brigadier-General Mike Rouleau, commander of Canadian Special
Operations Forces Command, revealed in a media briefing Monday that
soldiers have directed air strikes against ground targets 13 times in
the past seven or eight weeks, which means guiding attacks by methods
such as “marking the target with a laser so the bomb hits precisely
where you want it to hit.”
The senior officer defended this apparent expansion of the Canadian
role in Iraq by saying allied local fighters “have neither the tools
nor the training whatsoever to be able to do this.”
Brig.-Gen. Rouleau also announced that, for the first time, Canadian
military advisers have engaged in a firefight after coming under attack
when they were at the front lines conducting training.
This is not considered a combat operation because the advisers had not
gone there to engage with Islamic State soldiers.
﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He said Canadian troops are spending 20 per cent of their time near the
front lines and the exchange of fire happened within “the last seven
days.”
The Harper government, which sent the soldiers to Iraq early last fall,
said in a parliamentary motion that Canada would not “deploy troops
in ground combat operations.”
Philippe Lagassé, a military expert at the University of Ottawa, said
he considers the actions to be within the parameters of the original
mission.
“It ultimately comes down to impressions. I think it’s fair to say
this is not the impression that was being given about what they were
doing. That said, if you are going to get into the technicalities, they
never said they weren’t going to do this,” Mr. Lagassé said.
Speaking at a caucus meeting in London, Ont., Liberal Leader Justin
Trudeau said the troops have the right to defend themselves. However,
he added that Mr. Harper will have to explain why the mission has
changed in recent months.
“The Prime Minister established parameters for the mission that he
laid out with great assurance before the House of Commons, and as we
found out yesterday, have not been respected,” Mr. Trudeau said.
“The Prime Minister made statements in the fall around this mission
that turn out, today, to not have been entirely truthful and therefore,
the Prime Minister has very serious questions to answer.”
He said the latest development show that in his view, “troops have
participated in ground combat.”
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Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government
when it deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
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M.I.Wakefield
2015-01-20 21:52:50 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by (^_^)
January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’ Defence
Minister says
Do you even bother reading what you post?
"Near the front lines" is not "AT the front lines".
She's just unhappy we're supporting the Kurds, because they're distracting
ISIS from the real enemy.
(¬‿¬)
2015-01-20 22:32:10 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by (^_^)
January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’ Defence> Minister says
Do you even bother reading what you post?
"Near the front lines" is not "AT the front lines".
She's just unhappy we're supporting the Kurds, because they're distracting ISIS
from the real enemy - western countries posing as 'trainers and advisers' when they're actually military troops.
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Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it
deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
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Alan Baker
2015-01-20 22:38:02 UTC
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Post by (^_^)
Post by Alan Baker
Post by (^_^)
January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’
Defence> Minister says
Do you even bother reading what you post?
"Near the front lines" is not "AT the front lines".
She's just unhappy we're supporting the Kurds, because they're distracting ISIS
from the real enemy - western countries posing as 'trainers and
advisers' when they're actually military troops.
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Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government
when it deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
============================================================================
How sad that all you have left is lies...
M.I.Wakefield
2015-01-20 22:50:15 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
How sad that all you have left is lies...
What's sad is that that's all she started with, and hasn't improved herself
in all this time.
(¬‿¬)
2015-01-21 02:25:18 UTC
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What's sad is that that's all she started with, and hasn't improved herself in
all this time.
And Alan Baker seems to be stuck in a record groove too.
Alan Baker
2015-01-21 02:33:41 UTC
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What's sad is that that's all she started with, and hasn't improved herself in
all this time.
And Alan Baker seems to be stuck in a record groove too.
How sad for you...

(^_^)
2015-01-20 21:20:35 UTC
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Reminder:

Excerpt of an exchange between NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair and Prime Minister
Stephen Harper during Question Period on Sept. 30, 2014:

Mr. Mulcair: Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister said that the rules of engagement
are to advise and assist the Iraqis, but the question is, assist them how? For
instance, are Canadian soldiers currently going on patrols with Iraqis or Kurds?

Mr. Harper: Mr. Speaker, I said " advise and assist the Iraqis." If I could
just use the terminology in English, it is quite precise. It is to advise and
to assist. It is not to accompany. I think that was laid out before the
parliamentary committee.

Mr. Mulcair: Mr. Speaker, are they going into combat zones?

Mr. Harper: Mr. Speaker, I just said that Canadian soldiers are not
accompanying the Iraqi forces into combat.

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Post by (^_^)
January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’ Defence Minister says
Defence Minister Rob Nicholson says Canada’s special forces soldiers will
continue to direct air strikes from the ground in Iraq and train Kurdish
fighters near the front lines of the battle with Islamic State militants –
where the chances of a firefight are high.
The Harper government, which is being accused by opposition parties of
misleading Canadians on the job military advisers are doing in Iraq, insists
this is by no means an escalation into a ground war role.
“We’ve been very clear from the start that we were there to advise and assist
the Iraqis and we’ve been very clear we’d be participating in air strikes,” Mr.
Nicholson told The Globe and Mail in an interview.
The government says Kurdish forces don’t have the technical know-how and skill
to call down airstrikes and so Canadian troops have ended up doing that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“They currently don’t have the means nor the capacity, quite frankly, to
conduct target designation.”
He said Canada will continue to train peshmerga near the front lines “where
necessary” and if that draws fire Canadians will respond in kind. The military
says about 20 per cent of training is conducted near front lines.
“If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back. It’s an act of self
defence and I think Canadians expect that of our armed forces,” Mr. Nicholson said.
The Canadian Forces said on Monday that troops on the ground were guiding air
strikes against targets and using sniper fire to fend off enemy attacks at the
front lines. At a news conference at a daycare centre in Toronto on Tuesday,
NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair said the revelation did not square with Prime
Minister Stephen Harper’s comments in the House when the mission was up for
debate and a vote last fall.
“Mr. Harper cannot get away with telling Canadians ‘There will be no combat by
our troops,’ and then try to explain away the fact they are of course involved
in combat,” Mr. Mulcair told reporters. “He was asked those specific questions
by me, in September, and he told Canadians they would not be involved in
combat. He did not tell the truth.”
There are nearly 70 Canadian special forces soldiers in northern Iraq who are
supposed to be serving as military advisers to Kurdish peshmerga. It is not a
combat mission.
Separately, six Canadian CF-18 jets are part of a combat mission in Iraq –
participating in U.S.-led coalition air strikes against Islamic State militants.
Brigadier-General Mike Rouleau, commander of Canadian Special Operations Forces
Command, revealed in a media briefing Monday that soldiers have directed air
strikes against ground targets 13 times in the past seven or eight weeks, which
means guiding attacks by methods such as “marking the target with a laser so
the bomb hits precisely where you want it to hit.”
The senior officer defended this apparent expansion of the Canadian role in
Iraq by saying allied local fighters “have neither the tools nor the training
whatsoever to be able to do this.”
Brig.-Gen. Rouleau also announced that, for the first time, Canadian military
advisers have engaged in a firefight after coming under attack when they were
at the front lines conducting training.
This is not considered a combat operation because the advisers had not gone
there to engage with Islamic State soldiers. ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He said Canadian troops are spending 20 per cent of their time near the front
lines and the exchange of fire happened within “the last seven days.”
The Harper government, which sent the soldiers to Iraq early last fall, said in
a parliamentary motion that Canada would not “deploy troops in ground combat
operations.”
Philippe Lagassé, a military expert at the University of Ottawa, said he
considers the actions to be within the parameters of the original mission.
“It ultimately comes down to impressions. I think it’s fair to say this is not
the impression that was being given about what they were doing. That said, if
you are going to get into the technicalities, they never said they weren’t
going to do this,” Mr. Lagassé said.
Speaking at a caucus meeting in London, Ont., Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau
said the troops have the right to defend themselves. However, he added that
Mr. Harper will have to explain why the mission has changed in recent months.
“The Prime Minister established parameters for the mission that he laid out
with great assurance before the House of Commons, and as we found out
yesterday, have not been respected,” Mr. Trudeau said. “The Prime Minister
made statements in the fall around this mission that turn out, today, to not
have been entirely truthful and therefore, the Prime Minister has very serious
questions to answer.”
He said the latest development show that in his view, “troops have participated
in ground combat.”
https://dougsamu.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/harper-12.gif
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Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it
deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
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============================================================================
Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it
deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
============================================================================
Alan Baker
2015-01-20 21:33:47 UTC
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Post by (^_^)
Excerpt of an exchange between NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair and Prime
Mr. Mulcair: Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister said that the rules of
engagement are to advise and assist the Iraqis, but the question is,
assist them how? For instance, are Canadian soldiers currently going on
patrols with Iraqis or Kurds?
Mr. Harper: Mr. Speaker, I said " advise and assist the Iraqis." If I
could just use the terminology in English, it is quite precise. It is
to advise and to assist. It is not to accompany. I think that was laid
out before the parliamentary committee.
Mr. Mulcair: Mr. Speaker, are they going into combat zones?
Mr. Harper: Mr. Speaker, I just said that Canadian soldiers are not
accompanying the Iraqi forces into combat.
Right. And nothing in the article below contradicts that.
Post by (^_^)
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Post by (^_^)
January 20, 2015 - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
‘If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back,’ Defence Minister says
Defence Minister Rob Nicholson says Canada’s special forces soldiers will
continue to direct air strikes from the ground in Iraq and train Kurdish
fighters near the front lines of the battle with Islamic State militants –
where the chances of a firefight are high.
The Harper government, which is being accused by opposition parties of
misleading Canadians on the job military advisers are doing in Iraq, insists
this is by no means an escalation into a ground war role.
“We’ve been very clear from the start that we were there to advise and assist
the Iraqis and we’ve been very clear we’d be participating in air strikes,” Mr.
Nicholson told The Globe and Mail in an interview.
The government says Kurdish forces don’t have the technical know-how and skill
to call down airstrikes and so Canadian troops have ended up doing that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“They currently don’t have the means nor the capacity, quite frankly, to
conduct target designation.”
He said Canada will continue to train peshmerga near the front lines “where
necessary” and if that draws fire Canadians will respond in kind. The military
says about 20 per cent of training is conducted near front lines.
“If you fire on Canadian forces, they will fire back. It’s an act of self
defence and I think Canadians expect that of our armed forces,” Mr. Nicholson said.
The Canadian Forces said on Monday that troops on the ground were guiding air
strikes against targets and using sniper fire to fend off enemy attacks at the
front lines. At a news conference at a daycare centre in Toronto on Tuesday,
NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair said the revelation did not square with Prime
Minister Stephen Harper’s comments in the House when the mission was up for
debate and a vote last fall.
“Mr. Harper cannot get away with telling Canadians ‘There will be no combat by
our troops,’ and then try to explain away the fact they are of course involved
in combat,” Mr. Mulcair told reporters. “He was asked those specific questions
by me, in September, and he told Canadians they would not be involved in
combat. He did not tell the truth.”
There are nearly 70 Canadian special forces soldiers in northern Iraq who are
supposed to be serving as military advisers to Kurdish peshmerga. It is not a
combat mission.
Separately, six Canadian CF-18 jets are part of a combat mission in Iraq –
participating in U.S.-led coalition air strikes against Islamic State militants.
Brigadier-General Mike Rouleau, commander of Canadian Special Operations Forces
Command, revealed in a media briefing Monday that soldiers have directed air
strikes against ground targets 13 times in the past seven or eight weeks, which
means guiding attacks by methods such as “marking the target with a laser so
the bomb hits precisely where you want it to hit.”
The senior officer defended this apparent expansion of the Canadian role in
Iraq by saying allied local fighters “have neither the tools nor the training
whatsoever to be able to do this.”
Brig.-Gen. Rouleau also announced that, for the first time, Canadian military
advisers have engaged in a firefight after coming under attack when they were
at the front lines conducting training.
This is not considered a combat operation because the advisers had not gone
there to engage with Islamic State soldiers. ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He said Canadian troops are spending 20 per cent of their time near the front
lines and the exchange of fire happened within “the last seven days.”
The Harper government, which sent the soldiers to Iraq early last fall, said in
a parliamentary motion that Canada would not “deploy troops in ground combat
operations.”
Philippe Lagassé, a military expert at the University of Ottawa, said he
considers the actions to be within the parameters of the original mission.
“It ultimately comes down to impressions. I think it’s fair to say this is not
the impression that was being given about what they were doing. That said, if
you are going to get into the technicalities, they never said they weren’t
going to do this,” Mr. Lagassé said.
Speaking at a caucus meeting in London, Ont., Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau
said the troops have the right to defend themselves. However, he added that
Mr. Harper will have to explain why the mission has changed in recent months.
“The Prime Minister established parameters for the mission that he laid out
with great assurance before the House of Commons, and as we found out
yesterday, have not been respected,” Mr. Trudeau said. “The Prime Minister
made statements in the fall around this mission that turn out, today, to not
have been entirely truthful and therefore, the Prime Minister has very serious
questions to answer.”
He said the latest development show that in his view, “troops have participated
in ground combat.”
https://dougsamu.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/harper-12.gif
============================================================================
Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it
deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
============================================================================
============================================================================
Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government
when it deserves it. ~ Mark Twain
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