Discussion:
Which party will restore full funding for CBC after election?
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"{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
2014-05-30 22:10:45 UTC
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It needs to be one of the issues put to the Liberals and the NDP prior
to the 2015 election. What the Cons have tried to do to our national
broadcaster is nothing short of censorship through crippling with
funding cuts. We need to see that funding restored and increased. CBC
is our only remaining link with finding out what the federal government
is up to.
_______________________________________________

THE CANADIAN PRESS — CP — May 29 2014


CBC letter to Harper slams Tory attacks


OTTAWA - The Conservative party's public attacks on the CBC have been
"wilfully destructive" and undermine its independence, says a newly
uncovered letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper from the broadcaster's
Tory-appointed former chair.

The sharply worded 2010 letter, released last month under the Access to
Information Act, alleges that unwarranted attacks that year "disparaged
the Crown corporation in order to solicit political donations for the
Conservative party."

The missive from then-CBC chair Tim Casgrain warns the party and
government MPs against "intruding" on the broadcaster's independence as
they seek "to influence the content of programming."

"While this may be fair game in partisan politics, the charges are
unfounded in fact and wilfully destructive of an asset of the Crown."

Casgrain's dyspeptic dispatch was triggered by controversy over remarks
by CBC pollster Frank Graves of Ekos Research to a newspaper columnist,
Lawrence Martin of the Globe and Mail.

Graves later apologized for telling Martin he had urged the Liberal
party to "invoke a culture war" with the Conservatives and to not fear
polarizing debate over issues such as tolerance.

Conservative MPs and party officials immediately seized on the remarks,
demanding the CBC fire Graves as its pollster.

Casgrain, appointed by the Harper government to the CBC board of
directors in April 2007, said Graves' polling work for CBC had integrity
and reliability — and noted the government itself had hired him in the past.

"The government comes dangerously close to intruding on the independence
of the broadcaster when it seeks to influence the content of programming
or determine whose views will or will not be represented on its
airwaves," says the letter, a highly unusual direct communication from
the CBC board to a prime minister.

Casgrain's five-year CBC term ended in June 2012. An executive at a
Toronto flight business, his only comment this week was that "the letter
speaks for itself. I have nothing to add."

A spokeswoman for the CBC said the Prime Minister's Office never
responded to the letter, which was also copied to then-heritage
minister, James Moore, who also did not respond.

France Belisle said the chair and board have not sent any further
letters to the prime minister touching on the public broadcaster's
independence.

Harper's spokesman Jason MacDonald said the Prime Minister's Office has
"no intention of getting into a play-by-play around correspondence that
goes back to 2010."

"The CBC chair is entitled to his views and to expressing them. The
government respects the CBC's independence, and it continues to receive
significant taxpayer funds."

A spokesman for the Conservative party took issue with the Casgrain
letter, saying this week that "no media organization, not even the CBC,
gets to dictate how the Conservative party can and cannot fundraise."

"When the CBC invites partisan guests and treats them like neutral
observers, we're going to point out their bias to Canadians," Cory Hann
said in an email.

"When the CBC is being biased against our party in their 'news'
coverage, we will never hesitate to inform Canadians."

An Elections Canada database indicates a Tim Casgrain twice donated
$1,050 to Toronto's Eglinton-Lawrence Conservative Association in 2007
and 2008. The riding was then held by a Liberal but was won by
Conservative Joe Oliver, now finance minister, in the 2011 election.

A recent fundraising letter from the Conservative party accuses a cartel
of five big media groups in Canada of bias in favour of Liberal Leader
Justin Trudeau, and pointedly asks party supporters whether the CBC
should be privatized.

"The CBC receives more than $1 billion per year in taxpayer funding —
yet is widely perceived as holding a Liberal bias in their news and
analysis," says the letter from Fred DeLorey, the party's director of
political operations.

Ian Morrison, spokesman for the pro-CBC lobby group Friends of Canadian
Broadcasting, said from Toronto that the letter was "serious stuff —
it's troubling but not surprising."

"I'm proud of Mr. Casgrain. ... He wrote to the only guy who was capable
of ending the fundraising attacks."

The 2012 federal budget chopped the CBC's budget by $115 million over
three years, with the corporation shedding more than 600 jobs this year
alone. The cuts were among a spate of spending reductions across
government to balance the budget by 2015, and leave the CBC with just
over $900 million in annual operations funding.
Greg Carr
2014-05-30 23:51:20 UTC
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Post by "{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
It needs to be one of the issues put to the Liberals and the NDP prior
to the 2015 election. What the Cons have tried to do to our national
broadcaster is nothing short of censorship through crippling with
funding cuts. We need to see that funding restored and increased. CBC is
our only remaining link with finding out what the federal government is
up to.
CBC needs to lose its billion dollar subsidy and sink or swim on its own.
_______________________________________________
Post by "{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
THE CANADIAN PRESS — CP — May 29 2014
CBC letter to Harper slams Tory attacks
OTTAWA - The Conservative party's public attacks on the CBC have been
"wilfully destructive" and undermine its independence, says a newly
uncovered letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper from the broadcaster's
Tory-appointed former chair.
The sharply worded 2010 letter, released last month under the Access to
Information Act, alleges that unwarranted attacks that year "disparaged
the Crown corporation in order to solicit political donations for the
Conservative party."
The missive from then-CBC chair Tim Casgrain warns the party and
government MPs against "intruding" on the broadcaster's independence as
they seek "to influence the content of programming."
"While this may be fair game in partisan politics, the charges are
unfounded in fact and wilfully destructive of an asset of the Crown."
Casgrain's dyspeptic dispatch was triggered by controversy over remarks
by CBC pollster Frank Graves of Ekos Research to a newspaper columnist,
Lawrence Martin of the Globe and Mail.
Graves later apologized for telling Martin he had urged the Liberal
party to "invoke a culture war" with the Conservatives and to not fear
polarizing debate over issues such as tolerance.
Conservative MPs and party officials immediately seized on the remarks,
demanding the CBC fire Graves as its pollster.
Casgrain, appointed by the Harper government to the CBC board of
directors in April 2007, said Graves' polling work for CBC had integrity
and reliability — and noted the government itself had hired him in the past.
"The government comes dangerously close to intruding on the independence
of the broadcaster when it seeks to influence the content of programming
or determine whose views will or will not be represented on its
airwaves," says the letter, a highly unusual direct communication from
the CBC board to a prime minister.
Casgrain's five-year CBC term ended in June 2012. An executive at a
Toronto flight business, his only comment this week was that "the letter
speaks for itself. I have nothing to add."
A spokeswoman for the CBC said the Prime Minister's Office never
responded to the letter, which was also copied to then-heritage
minister, James Moore, who also did not respond.
France Belisle said the chair and board have not sent any further
letters to the prime minister touching on the public broadcaster's
independence.
Harper's spokesman Jason MacDonald said the Prime Minister's Office has
"no intention of getting into a play-by-play around correspondence that
goes back to 2010."
"The CBC chair is entitled to his views and to expressing them. The
government respects the CBC's independence, and it continues to receive
significant taxpayer funds."
A spokesman for the Conservative party took issue with the Casgrain
letter, saying this week that "no media organization, not even the CBC,
gets to dictate how the Conservative party can and cannot fundraise."
"When the CBC invites partisan guests and treats them like neutral
observers, we're going to point out their bias to Canadians," Cory Hann
said in an email.
"When the CBC is being biased against our party in their 'news'
coverage, we will never hesitate to inform Canadians."
An Elections Canada database indicates a Tim Casgrain twice donated
$1,050 to Toronto's Eglinton-Lawrence Conservative Association in 2007
and 2008. The riding was then held by a Liberal but was won by
Conservative Joe Oliver, now finance minister, in the 2011 election.
A recent fundraising letter from the Conservative party accuses a cartel
of five big media groups in Canada of bias in favour of Liberal Leader
Justin Trudeau, and pointedly asks party supporters whether the CBC
should be privatized.
"The CBC receives more than $1 billion per year in taxpayer funding —
yet is widely perceived as holding a Liberal bias in their news and
analysis," says the letter from Fred DeLorey, the party's director of
political operations.
Ian Morrison, spokesman for the pro-CBC lobby group Friends of Canadian
Broadcasting, said from Toronto that the letter was "serious stuff —
it's troubling but not surprising."
"I'm proud of Mr. Casgrain. ... He wrote to the only guy who was capable
of ending the fundraising attacks."
The 2012 federal budget chopped the CBC's budget by $115 million over
three years, with the corporation shedding more than 600 jobs this year
alone. The cuts were among a spate of spending reductions across
government to balance the budget by 2015, and leave the CBC with just
over $900 million in annual operations funding.
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"{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
2014-05-31 00:08:06 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
CBC needs to lose its billion dollar subsidy and sink or swim on its own.
Except, ya stupid person, that this is a national broadcaster - NOT a
private broadcaster.

And every country has them. And they are funded by the taxpayers in
every country that has them.
Get it now?
Greg Carr
2014-05-31 00:26:10 UTC
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Post by "{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
Post by Greg Carr
CBC needs to lose its billion dollar subsidy and sink or swim on its own.
Except, ya stupid person, that this is a national broadcaster - NOT a
private broadcaster.
And every country has them. And they are funded by the taxpayers in
every country that has them.
Get it now?
The USA doesn't have a public broadcaster although PBS does function
with the help of viewers support during telethons. With multiple private
broadcasters in Canada and the internet there is simply no need for a
subsidized CBC.
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"{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
2014-05-31 00:52:35 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
Post by "{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
And every country has them. And they are funded by the taxpayers in
every country that has them.
Get it now?
The USA doesn't have a public broadcaster although PBS does function
with the help of viewers support during telethons. With multiple private
broadcasters in Canada and the internet there is simply no need for a
subsidized CBC.
The United States does indeed have a public broadcaster. You need to
look up 'CPB'.
______________________________________

CPB promotes the growth and development of public media in communities
throughout America.

When Congress created CPB, it declared that developing public media is
an important objective not only for private and local initiatives, but
also “of appropriate and important concern” to the federal government.
Congress also decided that establishing CPB as a private, not-for-profit
corporation would facilitate the development of public media.

CPB funds ITVS (the Independent Television Service) and five minority
program consortia, which represent African American, Latino, Asian
American, Native American, and Pacific Islander television producers.

Since 1968, CPB has been the steward of the federal government’s
investment in public broadcasting and the largest single source of
funding for public radio, television, and related online and mobile
services. For approximately $1.35 per American per year, CPB provides
essential operational support for the nearly 1,400 locally-owned and
-operated public television and radio stations, which reach virtually
every household in the country.
Greg Carr
2014-05-31 02:27:52 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
Post by "{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
And every country has them. And they are funded by the taxpayers in
every country that has them.
Get it now?
The USA doesn't have a public broadcaster although PBS does function
with the help of viewers support during telethons. With multiple private
broadcasters in Canada and the internet there is simply no need for a
subsidized CBC.
The United States does indeed have a public broadcaster. You need to
look up 'CPB'.
______________________________________
CPB promotes the growth and development of public media in communities
throughout America.
When Congress created CPB, it declared that developing public media is
an important objective not only for private and local initiatives, but
also “of appropriate and important concern” to the federal government.
Congress also decided that establishing CPB as a private, not-for-profit
corporation would facilitate the development of public media.
CPB funds ITVS (the Independent Television Service) and five minority
program consortia, which represent African American, Latino, Asian
American, Native American, and Pacific Islander television producers.
Since 1968, CPB has been the steward of the federal government’s
investment in public broadcasting and the largest single source of
funding for public radio, television, and related online and mobile
services. For approximately $1.35 per American per year, CPB provides
essential operational support for the nearly 1,400 locally-owned and
-operated public television and radio stations, which reach virtually
every household in the country.
The USA with nine times the population of Canada spends roughly 1/3rd
the amount that Canada spends subsidizing the bloated CBC.

I am currently watching the LA-Chicago hockey game on CBC. No reason why
it can't be shown nationally on TSN if the CBC disappeared.
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M.I.Wakefield
2014-05-31 02:59:21 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
I am currently watching the LA-Chicago hockey game on CBC. No reason why
it can't be shown nationally on TSN if the CBC disappeared.
Part of the reason the CBC is facing more cuts is that next year they get
zero revenue from hockey ... Rogers will let them air a game on Saturday
night, but Rogers produces the game, and keeps all the ad revenue.
"{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
2014-05-31 22:04:54 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Part of the reason the CBC is facing more cuts is that next year they
get zero revenue from hockey ... Rogers will let them air a game on
Saturday night, but Rogers produces the game, and keeps all the ad revenue.
And a portion of the fee that will be charged for you to access it on
your television. 'Pay per view' for Canadian hockey. Enjoy.
=_=
2014-06-02 00:12:41 UTC
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On Sat, 31 May 2014 16:30:41 -0700, "{>_<} ?????" <"{>_ <}
When you watch anything on the CBC it's "Pay per view" you dumb ass.
Wow. Not for me. Maybe for you.
How much do you reckon you've paid CBC for their "pay per view" programs
so far this year?
It starts with a "Billion" dollars, you simple minded idiot. I knew
you wouldn't get the reference. You really aren't very bright, are
you?
Just to make it clear for someone who thinks he's bright (but
continually proves otherwise) . . .
I didn't pay a billion dollars to watch CBC last year. Or this year.
The cost of Canada having a national broadcaster - as do most developed
countries in the world - is approximately $24 a year for each taxpayer.
Now that Rogers is taking over the hockey game broadcasts, you're going
to start paying your TV provider to watch those games on a pay-per-view
basis. You didn't have to when CBC carried the games for you - included
in all the other programs they provided - for $24 a year.

NOW do you get it, 'not simple minded', idiot?
M.I.Wakefield
2014-06-02 00:47:53 UTC
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Post by =_=
The cost of Canada having a national broadcaster - as do most developed
countries in the world - is approximately $24 a year for each taxpayer.
Your math doesn't work. The CBC is getting about $1 billion in funding this
year ... divide by 24, and you get 41.6 million taxpayers .... but Canada's
total population is under 35 million.
{~_~}Раиса
2014-06-02 01:47:29 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by =_=
The cost of Canada having a national broadcaster - as do most
developed countries in the world - is approximately $24 a year for
each taxpayer.
Your math doesn't work. The CBC is getting about $1 billion in funding
this year ... divide by 24, and you get 41.6 million taxpayers .... but
Canada's total population is under 35 million.
See? Another right winger trying to do math.

What does the population of Canada have to do with the number of
taxpayers in Canada?
Do babies pay taxes? How 'bout all those tax-exempted populations? How
'bout all those people who take more money from our tax coffers than
they put into them?
Likely like you and your 'self-employment' deductions; and 'Carr' with
his medications and subsidized everything.

The number of taxpayers in this country drops every time the Harper
government allows corporations to move their profits into off-shore
accounts.
Their Senators seem to have gotten a knack for that too. I'd surely
like to see how many of those in the oil industry of Alberta pay taxes
in Canada, since they're all likely
'non resident' workers who pay taxes to their own countries somewhere
else on the globe.

Don't try to do math, Dobranski . . . Hudak tried and likely he's going
to hear about his lack of skills during tomorrow night's debate. Stick
with posting barbs and bullshit.
You guys excel at that.
M.I.Wakefield
2014-06-02 02:17:09 UTC
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Post by {~_~}Раиса
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by =_=
The cost of Canada having a national broadcaster - as do most
developed countries in the world - is approximately $24 a year for
each taxpayer.
Your math doesn't work. The CBC is getting about $1 billion in funding
this year ... divide by 24, and you get 41.6 million taxpayers .... but
Canada's total population is under 35 million.
See? Another right winger trying to do math.
No. I did the math. Using the numbers you provided. And proved that the
numbers you provided were completely wrong. Which will come as a complete
surprise to absolutely no one.
Greg Carr
2014-06-02 16:30:50 UTC
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Post by =_=
The cost of Canada having a national broadcaster - as do most
developed countries in the world - is approximately $24 a year for
each taxpayer.
Your math doesn't work. The CBC is getting about $1 billion in funding
this year ... divide by 24, and you get 41.6 million taxpayers .... but
Canada's total population is under 35 million.
See? Another right winger trying to do math.
What does the population of Canada have to do with the number of
taxpayers in Canada?
Do babies pay taxes? How 'bout all those tax-exempted populations? How
'bout all those people who take more money from our tax coffers than
they put into them?
Likely like you and your 'self-employment' deductions; and 'Carr' with
his medications and subsidized everything.
The number of taxpayers in this country drops every time the Harper
government allows corporations to move their profits into off-shore
accounts.
Their Senators seem to have gotten a knack for that too. I'd surely like
to see how many of those in the oil industry of Alberta pay taxes in
Canada, since they're all likely
'non resident' workers who pay taxes to their own countries somewhere
else on the globe.
Don't try to do math, Dobranski . . . Hudak tried and likely he's going
to hear about his lack of skills during tomorrow night's debate. Stick
with posting barbs and bullshit.
You guys excel at that.
You really are a moron.
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Greg Carr
2014-06-02 01:48:07 UTC
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Post by =_=
The cost of Canada having a national broadcaster - as do most
developed countries in the world - is approximately $24 a year for
each taxpayer.
Your math doesn't work. The CBC is getting about $1 billion in funding
this year ... divide by 24, and you get 41.6 million taxpayers .... but
Canada's total population is under 35 million.
ACK FACTS TIME TO BLAME THE JOOOOOWWWWWWSSSSSSSS
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"{>_<} Раиса" <"{>_
2014-05-31 22:03:16 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
I am currently watching the LA-Chicago hockey game on CBC. No reason why
it can't be shown nationally on TSN if the CBC disappeared.
Not if you want to pay for it, ya stupid person. Your hockey games are
going to be via Rogers in future - and they will not longer be free
viewing like they were with CBC.
Enough in your welfare cheque for that?
=_=
2014-06-02 00:26:25 UTC
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20,000,000 tax payers paying $60 each for the bloated CBC equals 1.2
billion dollars and the actual subsidy is 1.3 billion dollars.
You do math like every other right wing idiot.
1. Canada doesn't have "20 million taxpayers". You're a perfect example.
2. The cost per taxpayer - latest figures being for 2012 - is between
$29 and 34 per taxpayer.
3. And Canadians - those of us who aren't right wing nut jobs - love
CBC for its honest, unbiased and well-investigated reporting.

Here are just a few of them:


Published on Wed Mar 28 2012

Hands off our sacred CBC
Death by a thousand cuts, March 24


The CBC exists to improve national unity and to foster intelligent
debate among all Canadians. Surely we don’t want the U.S. shock-radio
model, complete with Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, etc.

At $34 per person, that’s less than a case of beer. Cancel the CBC?
Let’s cancel Christmas. It costs much more.

William Whitehouse, Sudbury

Thanks for the interesting and informative story on the CBC — in
particular the TV part. Concerning the “thousand cuts,” the CBC seems to
have weathered the storm quite well.

I have watched the CBC now for some 52 years, and I must say today’s
version — discounting the technological improvements — is a better
medium than ever. There was, indisputably, fat to cut; at times, it
became rather bureaucratic and staid.

There might even be room for some more fine-tuning there. Why, for
example, do we have two CBC news channels — the regular CBC one and the
news channel? And why repeat the evening news several times a night? If
the incremental cost is marginal, I can see an argument for it. But
surely, it cannot be zero.

I enjoy “The Fifth Estate” and other in-depth news reports and
documentaries. These you would not likely find on other Canadian
independent media, and certainly not in U.S. media. Programs such as “At
Issue” are both entertaining and informative; I don’t believe it is
“cheapening” the newshour at all, and I see no reason why they should
not be retained.

I understand the importance of advertising revenue, but there could be
an argument for getting rid of ads and charging a viewer’s subscription
fee. The network would be smaller, but it would avoid overlapping
broadcasts, which can easily be obtained from U.S. and other Canadian
networks.

It would rekindle the vision of Graham Spry, and again make the CBC a
truly Canadian broadcasting entity, promoting Canadian values and interests.

The references to Europe’s per capita public funding of broadcasters is
a little misleading, as the broadcasting environment is somewhat
different from North America. Norway, with the highest per capita
funding, used to be a monopoly until recently, and the annual licensing
fee is compulsory both for radio and TV.

Also Norwegians did not have access to foreign TV, though there is some
private broadcasting now, and with the Internet, there are much more
choices. Some 94 per cent of Norwegian broadcasting (NRK) funding comes
from a mandatory annual licensing fees charged to each person in
possession of a TV. The remainder comes from commercial activities such
as program and DVD sales, spin-off products and certain types of
sponsorship.

Perhaps the time has come to rethink the CBC’s objectives, but
privatizing it is not the way.

Sigmund Roseth, Mississauga


Your review of public broadcasting costs for many countries worldwide
was certainly interesting and useful. It’s amazing that Canada comes in
with the third-lowest cost per capita at $34 and, of course, it’s
understandable that the U.S. is lowest at $4.

I was disappointed, however, to find that the chart neglected to give
comparative figures for any communist country. It would be insightful if
we could compare the costs in China, Cuba and Russia with the others.

George Dunbar, Toronto


I have been a CBC fanatic for more than 45 years and I don’t watch
television. For the first time, a major article about CBC actually
mentioned that there was a radio component.

Unlike the television side of CBC, there is no national public radio
network or system that provides commercial free, high quality Canadian
news, documentaries, comedy, music and public affairs on an in-depth basis.

Perhaps, it is time to cut the TV component and concentrate on CBC
Radio. I can’t imagine a day without it. We voters will be watching
the budget closely.

Jim Sanders, Guelph


Your article claims CBC Radio doesn’t air advertisements. This is an
erroneous assertion that the corporation likes to repeat. CBC Radio is
replete with ads. It’s just that the corporation chooses to give it a
different name, such as promotions for the corporation.

All day long the CBC Radio listener is hammered by the ridiculous,
breathy voice of a male Marilyn Monroe incessantly reminding us “CBC . .
. Where Canada Lives,” and other sonic irritations.

The corporation chooses to misunderstand why listeners object to ads.
We don’t like the interruption, the intrusion into programming, whether
it’s to tell us a hamburger or where Canada lives. And, please, give a
much-deserved rest to Marilyn: the poor woman died 50 years ago.

Jerry Tutunjian, Toronto


Before dispensing with the CBC, I suggest we abolish the Senate first.
At least the CBC serves a purpose.

Francine Dick, Toronto
Greg Carr
2014-06-02 01:55:05 UTC
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Post by =_=
20,000,000 tax payers paying $60 each for the bloated CBC equals 1.2
billion dollars and the actual subsidy is 1.3 billion dollars.
You do math like every other right wing idiot.
1. Canada doesn't have "20 million taxpayers". You're a perfect example.
2. The cost per taxpayer - latest figures being for 2012 - is between
$29 and 34 per taxpayer.
3. And Canadians - those of us who aren't right wing nut jobs - love CBC
for its honest, unbiased and well-investigated reporting.
Published on Wed Mar 28 2012
Hands off our sacred CBC
Death by a thousand cuts, March 24
The CBC exists to improve national unity and to foster intelligent
debate among all Canadians. Surely we don’t want the U.S. shock-radio
model, complete with Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, etc.
At $34 per person, that’s less than a case of beer. Cancel the CBC?
Let’s cancel Christmas. It costs much more.
William Whitehouse, Sudbury
And he gets this figure from where the math doesn't work. Canada has
around 20,000,000 tax payers $34 a person would work out to 680 million
far short of the failed CBC's 1.3 billion subsidy. It doesn't need a
death of a thousand cuts it needs coup de grace to the head.
Post by =_=
Thanks for the interesting and informative story on the CBC — in
particular the TV part. Concerning the “thousand cuts,” the CBC seems to
have weathered the storm quite well.
I have watched the CBC now for some 52 years, and I must say today’s
version — discounting the technological improvements — is a better
medium than ever. There was, indisputably, fat to cut; at times, it
became rather bureaucratic and staid.
There might even be room for some more fine-tuning there. Why, for
example, do we have two CBC news channels — the regular CBC one and the
news channel? And why repeat the evening news several times a night? If
the incremental cost is marginal, I can see an argument for it. But
surely, it cannot be zero.
I enjoy “The Fifth Estate” and other in-depth news reports and
documentaries. These you would not likely find on other Canadian
independent media, and certainly not in U.S. media. Programs such as “At
Issue” are both entertaining and informative; I don’t believe it is
“cheapening” the newshour at all, and I see no reason why they should
not be retained.
I understand the importance of advertising revenue, but there could be
an argument for getting rid of ads and charging a viewer’s subscription
fee. The network would be smaller, but it would avoid overlapping
broadcasts, which can easily be obtained from U.S. and other Canadian
networks.
No argument from me. Make the CBC an optional pay tv program and watch
it die.
Post by =_=
It would rekindle the vision of Graham Spry, and again make the CBC a
truly Canadian broadcasting entity, promoting Canadian values and interests.
The references to Europe’s per capita public funding of broadcasters is
a little misleading, as the broadcasting environment is somewhat
different from North America. Norway, with the highest per capita
funding, used to be a monopoly until recently, and the annual licensing
fee is compulsory both for radio and TV.
Also Norwegians did not have access to foreign TV, though there is some
private broadcasting now, and with the Internet, there are much more
choices. Some 94 per cent of Norwegian broadcasting (NRK) funding comes
from a mandatory annual licensing fees charged to each person in
possession of a TV. The remainder comes from commercial activities such
as program and DVD sales, spin-off products and certain types of
sponsorship.
Perhaps the time has come to rethink the CBC’s objectives, but
privatizing it is not the way.
Sigmund Roseth, Mississauga
Your review of public broadcasting costs for many countries worldwide
was certainly interesting and useful. It’s amazing that Canada comes in
with the third-lowest cost per capita at $34 and, of course, it’s
understandable that the U.S. is lowest at $4.
Fine cut the CBC subsidy to 80 million a year $4 per taxpayer.
Post by =_=
I was disappointed, however, to find that the chart neglected to give
comparative figures for any communist country. It would be insightful if
we could compare the costs in China, Cuba and Russia with the others.
George Dunbar, Toronto
I have been a CBC fanatic for more than 45 years and I don’t watch
television. For the first time, a major article about CBC actually
mentioned that there was a radio component.
Unlike the television side of CBC, there is no national public radio
network or system that provides commercial free, high quality Canadian
news, documentaries, comedy, music and public affairs on an in-depth basis.
Perhaps, it is time to cut the TV component and concentrate on CBC
Radio. I can’t imagine a day without it. We voters will be watching the
budget closely.
Jim Sanders, Guelph
Your article claims CBC Radio doesn’t air advertisements. This is an
erroneous assertion that the corporation likes to repeat. CBC Radio is
replete with ads. It’s just that the corporation chooses to give it a
different name, such as promotions for the corporation.
All day long the CBC Radio listener is hammered by the ridiculous,
breathy voice of a male Marilyn Monroe incessantly reminding us “CBC . .
. Where Canada Lives,” and other sonic irritations.
The corporation chooses to misunderstand why listeners object to ads. We
don’t like the interruption, the intrusion into programming, whether
it’s to tell us a hamburger or where Canada lives. And, please, give a
much-deserved rest to Marilyn: the poor woman died 50 years ago.
Jerry Tutunjian, Toronto
Before dispensing with the CBC, I suggest we abolish the Senate first.
At least the CBC serves a purpose.
Francine Dick, Toronto
CBC the all Ontario network. Let it die.
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{~_~}Раиса
2014-06-06 01:18:21 UTC
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20,000,000 tax payers paying $60 each for the bloated CBC equals 1.2
billion dollars and the actual subsidy is 1.3 billion dollars.
One-third of Canadian adults pay no income taxes
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/04/30/18087141.html
So your claim that the CBC subsidy amounted to $24 per taxpayer is even
more wrong than we thought it was.
Most people post links to support their argument ... {~_~}Раиса (aka
Karen Gordon, aka ar231) isn't most people.
Neither are you, Dobranski . . . more personalities than any
psychiatrist could cope with.
______________________________
According to a 2011 study commissioned by the CBC, Norway supports its
public broadcaster most generously with a per capita allotment of $164.
The CBC, by contrast, is provided with just $34. (New Zealand comes in
at second lowest, at $27. The United States trails everyone with just $4
per person provided to the Congressionally mandated Corporation for
Public Broadcasting.)

CBC supporters say this situation is deeply unfair: The network has to
provide extensive coverage over an enormous geographical area, including
the Far North, in English and French (plus eight native languages), on
radio, television and online.
________________________________________

Many Tories seethe at the corp’s perceived liberal bias — an accusation
refuted by at least one study. But Canadians tell pollsters the CBC is
important for protecting culture and identity.
An Angus Reid poll last November found 69 per cent believe its funding
should be maintained or increased.
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At $34 per Canadian resident, CBC has the third-lowest level of public
funding for broadcasters in 18 major Western countries. The lowest is
the U.S. at $4 per capita; the highest is Norway at $164.
Greg Carr
2014-06-08 22:08:09 UTC
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20,000,000 tax payers paying $60 each for the bloated CBC equals 1.2
billion dollars and the actual subsidy is 1.3 billion dollars.
One-third of Canadian adults pay no income taxes
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/04/30/18087141.html
So your claim that the CBC subsidy amounted to $24 per taxpayer is even
more wrong than we thought it was.
Most people post links to support their argument ... {~_~}Раиса (aka
Karen Gordon, aka ar231) isn't most people.
Neither are you, Dobranski . . . more personalities than any
psychiatrist could cope with.
______________________________
According to a 2011 study commissioned by the CBC, Norway supports its
public broadcaster most generously with a per capita allotment of $164.
The CBC, by contrast, is provided with just $34. (New Zealand comes in
at second lowest, at $27. The United States trails everyone with just $4
per person provided to the Congressionally mandated Corporation for
Public Broadcasting.)
CBC supporters say this situation is deeply unfair: The network has to
provide extensive coverage over an enormous geographical area, including
the Far North, in English and French (plus eight native languages), on
radio, television and online.
________________________________________
Many Tories seethe at the corp’s perceived liberal bias — an accusation
refuted by at least one study. But Canadians tell pollsters the CBC is
important for protecting culture and identity.
An Angus Reid poll last November found 69 per cent believe its funding
should be maintained or increased.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
At $34 per Canadian resident, CBC has the third-lowest level of public
funding for broadcasters in 18 major Western countries. The lowest is
the U.S. at $4 per capita; the highest is Norway at $164.
I would rather get that money from the govt as a tax credit and use it
watch pay per view movies which may or may not be Cdn.
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