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Will the NDP and Liberals split the progressive vote?
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2014-12-23 01:29:18 UTC
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If you're from the Liberal or NDP camp, and you're concerned about this - send
an email to your party's leader and tell him so.
They must learn to put their differences aside and do what the majority of the
electorate is wanting now: a COALITION party to challenge Harper's Cons.

Time over for party leader squabbles. . . . start thinking of what is best for
the people of this country. And it sure as hell hasn't been the Harper
Conservatives.
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December 22, 2014 - Macleans


Left-wing lock: Will the NDP and Liberals split the progressive vote?

Supporters of the left are worried the parties could once again cannibalize the
vote


Bitter political enemies Justin Trudeau and Thomas Mulcair will go at it alone
in the 2015 election. The Liberal Party leader and his NDP homologue have all
but ruled out any sort of non-aggression pact even as both parties chase the
left-leaning electorate. “There are some very, very big impediments to forming
a coalition with the NDP. Which is why I am against it,” Trudeau recently told
Postmedia News.

Few people are happier about this than Conservative MP Erin O’Toole. On
several key policies, he says, the NDP and the Liberals seem to be morphing
into one progressive blob. It raises the distinct possibility of a split in
the progressive vote in the 2015 election—and thus making O’Toole’s job on the
Conservative’s re-election campaign team that much easier.

Trudeau’s denial of a potential coalition aside, O’Toole sees the Conservatives
bringing up the possibility of such a thing during the election campaign. “I
don’t think Canadians would be comfortable with a firm left coalition of NDP
and Liberals.” <<=== [ seems 60% would ]

The two parties are undeniably close on a variety of issues. Both were against
Canada’s participation in the mission against Islamic State; both are in favour
of a loosening of Canada’s marijuana laws—decriminalization in the NDP’s case,
legalization for the Liberals. Both favour some form of childcare strategy,
and have made loud noises about the strains on the country’s middle class.
Under leader Thomas Mulcair, the NDP’s position on Israel has edged closer to
that of the Liberals, while the Liberal Party has begun courting the NDP’s
traditional territory of organized labour.

The Liberals’ leftward tilt is in part to regain territory in Quebec, where the
party has yet to fully recover from its scandal-plagued tenure in the
mid-2000s. Trudeau’s decision to oppose the mission in Iraq played well in
Quebec, where support for military intervention is typically the lowest in the
country. The NDP has the lion’s share of the seats in the province, and
Mulcair remains the most popular federal leader, according to polls. Yet
Trudeau has revived the Liberal brand somewhat in Quebec, and the party has far
outpaced its opposition in fundraising numbers.

Liberal and NDP operatives tend to tiptoe around a potential split of the
progressive vote—though without publicly acknowledging the similarities between
the parties. “The Liberal Party must work hard to show a more responsible,
more progressive vision for the country,” says Liberal Party communications
director Kate Purchase, who says there will be “robust competition between the
NDP and the Liberal Party.” NDP national director Anne McGrath, meanwhile,
says the progressive vote can’t be split. “That would imply that the Liberals
are a progressive party,” she tells Maclean’s.

This stubborn refusal to yield—in the form of a party merger, or at least a
non-aggression pact in key ridings—is a source of frustration amongst many on
the left, who see a possible repeat of the 2011 election.

That year, the Conservatives were able to secure a majority thanks largely to a
split of the centre-left vote in Ontario. “It’s a head-in-the-sand mentality.
Anytime the issue of the two parties cannibalizing the vote comes up, the
answer from either is, ‘We’re going to run someone in every riding and win the
next majority government,’ ” says Pascal Zamprelli, a former Liberal nomination
candidate who volunteers for the party. “Maybe, but it’s unrealistic to think
vote-splitting doesn’t hurt.”

Avoiding a split of the left-leaning vote may fall to outside organizations
like Lead Now. Ultimately, the Vancouver-based advocacy group wants electoral
reform. In the interim, it is organizing strategic voting initiatives in
ridings where the Conservative candidate won by less than 50 per cent in 2011.
There were 59 such ridings, according to data compiled by Pundits’ Guide.)

“We’re basically saying if the parties won’t cooperate before the election,
then we are going to organize voters across party lines to defeat conservative
candidates,” says Lead Now executive director Jamie Biggar, adding his group
has already set up teams in 15 ridings. “Why is Stephen Harper in power today?
Because in 2003 he ended vote splitting on the right” with the merger between
the Progressive Conservatives and the Canadian Alliance.

The NDP has trended downward in the polls as of late, and has been stung by a
string of by-election losses. Perversely enough, this is one of O’Toole’s
concerns in the coming year “In Ontario, we need a viable NDP,” he says, if
only to steal away Liberal votes. The Conservatives also need the Liberal
Party to continue its leftward shift and convince NDP supporters to vote red.
Erin O’Toole hopes his opponents are wildly successful.
Alan Baker
2014-12-23 01:56:08 UTC
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Post by (=_=)
If you're from the Liberal or NDP camp, and you're concerned about this
- send an email to your party's leader and tell him so.
They must learn to put their differences aside and do what the majority
of the electorate is wanting now: a COALITION party to challenge
Harper's Cons.
Sorry, but you don't know that that's the case.
Post by (=_=)
Time over for party leader squabbles. . . . start thinking of what is
best for the people of this country. And it sure as hell hasn't been
the Harper Conservatives.
___________________________________________
December 22, 2014 - Macleans
Left-wing lock: Will the NDP and Liberals split the progressive vote?
Supporters of the left are worried the parties could once again
cannibalize the vote
Bitter political enemies Justin Trudeau and Thomas Mulcair will go at
it alone in the 2015 election. The Liberal Party leader and his NDP
homologue have all but ruled out any sort of non-aggression pact even
as both parties chase the left-leaning electorate. “There are some
very, very big impediments to forming a coalition with the NDP. Which
is why I am against it,” Trudeau recently told Postmedia News.
Few people are happier about this than Conservative MP Erin O’Toole.
On several key policies, he says, the NDP and the Liberals seem to be
morphing into one progressive blob. It raises the distinct possibility
of a split in the progressive vote in the 2015 election—and thus
making O’Toole’s job on the Conservative’s re-election campaign
team that much easier.
Trudeau’s denial of a potential coalition aside, O’Toole sees the
Conservatives bringing up the possibility of such a thing during the
election campaign. “I don’t think Canadians would be comfortable
with a firm left coalition of NDP and Liberals.” <<=== [ seems
60% would ]
The two parties are undeniably close on a variety of issues. Both were
against Canada’s participation in the mission against Islamic State;
both are in favour of a loosening of Canada’s marijuana
laws—decriminalization in the NDP’s case, legalization for the
Liberals. Both favour some form of childcare strategy, and have made
loud noises about the strains on the country’s middle class. Under
leader Thomas Mulcair, the NDP’s position on Israel has edged closer
to that of the Liberals, while the Liberal Party has begun courting the
NDP’s traditional territory of organized labour.
The Liberals’ leftward tilt is in part to regain territory in Quebec,
where the party has yet to fully recover from its scandal-plagued
tenure in the mid-2000s. Trudeau’s decision to oppose the mission in
Iraq played well in Quebec, where support for military intervention is
typically the lowest in the country. The NDP has the lion’s share of
the seats in the province, and Mulcair remains the most popular federal
leader, according to polls. Yet Trudeau has revived the Liberal brand
somewhat in Quebec, and the party has far outpaced its opposition in
fundraising numbers.
Liberal and NDP operatives tend to tiptoe around a potential split of
the progressive vote—though without publicly acknowledging the
similarities between the parties. “The Liberal Party must work hard
to show a more responsible, more progressive vision for the country,”
says Liberal Party communications director Kate Purchase, who says
there will be “robust competition between the NDP and the Liberal
Party.” NDP national director Anne McGrath, meanwhile, says the
progressive vote can’t be split. “That would imply that the
Liberals are a progressive party,” she tells Maclean’s.
This stubborn refusal to yield—in the form of a party merger, or at
least a non-aggression pact in key ridings—is a source of frustration
amongst many on the left, who see a possible repeat of the 2011
election.
That year, the Conservatives were able to secure a majority thanks
largely to a split of the centre-left vote in Ontario. “It’s a
head-in-the-sand mentality. Anytime the issue of the two parties
cannibalizing the vote comes up, the answer from either is, ‘We’re
going to run someone in every riding and win the next majority
government,’ ” says Pascal Zamprelli, a former Liberal nomination
candidate who volunteers for the party. “Maybe, but it’s
unrealistic to think vote-splitting doesn’t hurt.”
Avoiding a split of the left-leaning vote may fall to outside
organizations like Lead Now. Ultimately, the Vancouver-based advocacy
group wants electoral reform. In the interim, it is organizing
strategic voting initiatives in ridings where the Conservative
candidate won by less than 50 per cent in 2011. There were 59 such
ridings, according to data compiled by Pundits’ Guide.)
“We’re basically saying if the parties won’t cooperate before the
election, then we are going to organize voters across party lines to
defeat conservative candidates,” says Lead Now executive director
Jamie Biggar, adding his group has already set up teams in 15 ridings.
“Why is Stephen Harper in power today? Because in 2003 he ended
vote splitting on the right” with the merger between the Progressive
Conservatives and the Canadian Alliance.
The NDP has trended downward in the polls as of late, and has been
stung by a string of by-election losses. Perversely enough, this is
one of O’Toole’s concerns in the coming year “In Ontario, we need
a viable NDP,” he says, if only to steal away Liberal votes. The
Conservatives also need the Liberal Party to continue its leftward
shift and convince NDP supporters to vote red. Erin O’Toole hopes
his opponents are wildly successful.
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2014-12-23 20:16:59 UTC
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If you're from the Liberal or NDP camp, and you're concerned about this -
send an email to your party's leader and tell him so.
They must learn to put their differences aside and do what the majority of
the electorate is wanting now: a COALITION party to challenge Harper's Cons.
Sorry, but you don't know that that's the case.
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Alan Baker
2014-12-23 20:36:55 UTC
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If you're from the Liberal or NDP camp, and you're concerned about this -
send an email to your party's leader and tell him so.
They must learn to put their differences aside and do what the majority of
the electorate is wanting now: a COALITION party to challenge Harper's Cons.
Sorry, but you don't know that that's the case.
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I'm completely calm.

You, OTOH, frequently express your agitation.

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