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Tories Tied With Grits In New Poll
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Greg Carr
2014-05-01 18:49:07 UTC
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“I’ll so offend to make offence a skill;

It seemed for the longest time that nothing could touch Justin Trudeau;
that his ascendancy was inevitable. But that may be beginning to change.
In April, for the first time since he took the Liberal crown, successive
national polls showed his support slipping. Across Canada the Grits are
now in a dead heat with Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, at 33 per cent
versus 31 per cent, respectively, according to poll aggregator
threehundredeight.com.

In Quebec, meantime, the Liberals now trail Tom Mulcair’s New Democrats
by one point, at 32 per cent versus 33, according to a new CROP survey.
It’s not a collapse, to be sure; but across the board, suddenly,
Trudeau’s numbers are moving in the wrong direction, if you’re a
Liberal. And the question, of course, is why. What has changed?

For months, running into years, the knock against Trudeau has been that
he is an empty vessel; young, good-looking, with a celebrated pedigree
and a bright smile, but void of substance, inexperienced, and — as the
Conservative attack ad puts it — “in over his head.” Each of his public,
verbal goofs — and there have a been a string of them now — has
bolstered that narrative.

Set against that, from the start, has been the strategic savvy on
display in, among other things, his choice of issues. The trend toward
greater income inequality is real; it is in place worldwide, and Canada
is not exempt. One can argue it is unwise for any politician to promise
to “fix” such a problem, let alone while ruling out a major wealth
transfer; but not, credibly, that inequality is make-believe. More
important politically, no Canadian party leader can ever go too far
wrong in championing the middle class, because the vast majority of
voters consider themselves to be just that.

Economic policy-wise, we now know where he’s headed; it’s in keeping
with the centrist tradition established in the Chretien era, but with a
John Manley-esque, almost Red Tory tilt. The first three priorities
named in Trudeau’s presentation to the Vancouver Board of Trade last
month were education, trade and resource development, in that order, the
latter couched in language not particularly different from that used in
the past by Jim Prentice, soon to be the new Progressive Conservative
premier of Alberta. The fourth priority, innovation, is classic Manley
blue Liberalism; the fifth, infrastructure development, the only nod to
the interventionist ethos that animated the federal Liberals before they
came to power in 1993.

Here’s what that confirms: Trudeau proffers no wrenching change. Rather
he stands to inherit Harper’s neo-liberalism and make it more equitable
— just as Tony Blair once did in the United Kingdom, following the
Thatcher years, or Bill Clinton did in the United States, following the
first Bush presidency. This explains, I suspect, why his gaffes haven’t
hurt him more than they have; his program is broadly appealing both to
conservatives weary of Harper’s anti-democratic tendencies, and social
progressives leery of the New Democrats’ love of higher taxes, more
government and debt.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/national/Justin+Trudeau+honeymoon+over/9796337/story.html
{~_~} Раиса
2014-05-01 21:10:38 UTC
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In Quebec, meantime, the Liberals now trail Tom Mulcair’s New Democrats <<=== ヽ(^。^)ノ
by one point, at 32 per cent versus 33, according to a new CROP survey.
It’s not a collapse, to be sure; but across the board, suddenly,
Trudeau’s numbers are moving in the wrong direction, if you’re a
Liberal. And the question, of course, is why. What has changed?
M.I.Wakefield
2014-05-01 21:35:54 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
In Quebec, meantime, the Liberals now trail Tom Mulcair’s New Democrats
<<=== ヽ(^。^)ノ
by one point, at 32 per cent versus 33, according to a new CROP survey.
Don't get too excited:

- NDP third in BC, in a relatively close 3-way race;
- NDP third in Alberta, 41 points behind the Conservatives;
- NDP third in Manitoba/Saskatchewan, with half the support of the
Conservatives;
- NDP third in Ontario, almost 11 points behind the Conservatives;
- NDP third in Atlantic Canada, with less than 1/3 of the Liberal vote;
- and in Quebec, the NDP may be second, but they've lost more than 1/4 of
their support from the last election, which means we won't have to worry
about the parliamentary pensions of all those rookie NDP MPs.
MattB
2014-05-01 21:43:57 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
In Quebec, meantime, the Liberals now trail Tom Mulcair’s New Democrats
<<=== ?(^?^)?
by one point, at 32 per cent versus 33, according to a new CROP survey.
- NDP third in BC, in a relatively close 3-way race;
- NDP third in Alberta, 41 points behind the Conservatives;
- NDP third in Manitoba/Saskatchewan, with half the support of the
Conservatives;
- NDP third in Ontario, almost 11 points behind the Conservatives;
- NDP third in Atlantic Canada, with less than 1/3 of the Liberal vote;
- and in Quebec, the NDP may be second, but they've lost more than 1/4 of
their support from the last election, which means we won't have to worry
about the parliamentary pensions of all those rookie NDP MPs.
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?

How would they pay for it?
M.I.Wakefield
2014-05-01 21:52:43 UTC
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Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
MattB
2014-05-01 22:02:33 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
Is Obama and Reid members :-))))
MattB
2014-05-01 22:14:03 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
Down south think the liberals have the same problem
M.I.Wakefield
2014-05-01 22:37:39 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
Down south think the liberals have the same problem.
The political spectrums are different ... our Conservative Prime Minister is
perfectly happy with no laws at all on abortion, same-sex marriage, and
single-payer health care ... the US has liberals who'd be in apoplectic
shock with that, before we started in on our gun laws.
MattB
2014-05-01 23:07:19 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
Down south think the liberals have the same problem.
The political spectrums are different ... our Conservative Prime Minister is
perfectly happy with no laws at all on abortion, same-sex marriage, and
single-payer health care ... the US has liberals who'd be in apoplectic
shock with that, before we started in on our gun laws.
Well the little I did check looks like the NDP has no chance of
gaining power. US liberals buy votes with promises they never keep.
Wait until Obamacare employer mandate kicks in. Even they know it
will be a mess. Delayed it until after the election tell you
something.

So do you think your current form of government is less of a mess than
the one in the USA. The USA is a mess..
Barry Bruyea
2014-05-02 09:51:34 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
Down south think the liberals have the same problem.
The political spectrums are different ... our Conservative Prime Minister is
perfectly happy with no laws at all on abortion, same-sex marriage, and
single-payer health care ... the US has liberals who'd be in apoplectic
shock with that, before we started in on our gun laws.
Well the little I did check looks like the NDP has no chance of
gaining power. US liberals buy votes with promises they never keep.
Wait until Obamacare employer mandate kicks in. Even they know it
will be a mess. Delayed it until after the election tell you
something.
So do you think your current form of government is less of a mess than
the one in the USA. The USA is a mess..
Although it may sound naive, I don't think Canadian politicians are in
the thrall of lobbyists to extent that U.S. politicians seem to be
trapped. That doesn't mean I think Canadian polls are any less
interested in getting elected..again, which seems to be the priority
of both American and Canadian elected politicians.
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MattB
2014-05-02 18:29:04 UTC
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On Fri, 02 May 2014 05:51:34 -0400, Barry Bruyea
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by MattB
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by MattB
I had to read up on this NDP. How do they plan on doing what they
claim to support?
How would they pay for it?
They have no idea ... which became apparent when the NDP was the government
of Ontario between 1990 and 1995.
Down south think the liberals have the same problem.
The political spectrums are different ... our Conservative Prime Minister is
perfectly happy with no laws at all on abortion, same-sex marriage, and
single-payer health care ... the US has liberals who'd be in apoplectic
shock with that, before we started in on our gun laws.
Well the little I did check looks like the NDP has no chance of
gaining power. US liberals buy votes with promises they never keep.
Wait until Obamacare employer mandate kicks in. Even they know it
will be a mess. Delayed it until after the election tell you
something.
So do you think your current form of government is less of a mess than
the one in the USA. The USA is a mess..
Although it may sound naive, I don't think Canadian politicians are in
the thrall of lobbyists to extent that U.S. politicians seem to be
trapped. That doesn't mean I think Canadian polls are any less
interested in getting elected..again, which seems to be the priority
of both American and Canadian elected politicians.
You are lucky these lobbyist are a true danger to democracy. Then
again so is the mob.

We have a poster "WY" from Canada on the American groups he seems
imply that Canadians are Socialist progressives. I live just south
of BC and when I go there I don't get that from the people. If
anything they are just more laid-back.

OH WY claims he is going to shoot a bazooka through my window. Thinks
you can buy one at a gun store. Montreal have many like that.
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